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RO is an ontology of relations for use with biological ontologies
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NTR: uncorrelated with #811

Open miseminger opened 1 week ago

miseminger commented 1 week ago

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Preferred term label

uncorrelated with

Synonyms

none

Textual definition

A relationship that holds between two entities, where the entities do not exhibit a statistical dependence relationship. The entities may be statistical variables, or they may be other kinds of entities such as diseases, chemical entities or processes.

Suggested parent term

none (should be sibling to 'correlated with' [RO_0002610])

Attribution

https://orcid.org/0000-0002-0548-891X, https://orcid.org/0000-0002-8844-9165

Motivation

Our use case for "uncorrelated with" is to be able to write statements about mutations that are either positively correlated with or uncorrelated with some biological characteristic, as in the model shown below. For example, Mishra et al. (2021) report that the combination of E156_R158delinsG and D614G in SARS-CoV-2 are not correlated with host syncytia formation.

evidence_model drawio

jhpoelen commented 1 week ago

fyi @zedomel @seltmann as related to our desire to describe "not a relation" claim.

bpeters42 commented 1 week ago

Discussed on 10/7 call; ventured all the way down the rabbitholes... This raises general questions about how to connect conclusions / study findings /propositions with the studies they come from, which can be contradictory. Damion will follow up to attempt to do that at the instance level. OBI should also clarify how this can be done in OBI in addition to how this is done in SEPIO here.

sierra-moxon commented 1 week ago

Noting too that relating instance data to the study metadata would be a constructive discussion to have more broadly as this issue comes up repeatedly in many projects. Note: there will be a call recording of this discussion linked in the RO meeting minutes.

It would be extremely helpful if the OBI/COB/SEPIO communities had time to come together and hold a workshop on this. @mbrush @cmungall

ddooley commented 6 days ago

Michelle Giglio has volunteered to talk about this topic in OBI Oct 21 curation call. She's presenting some past draft work on a solution.

Basically, we were seeking a representational solution where a database of possibly conflicting papers could express their hypotheses and conclusions without leading to unsatisfiability. Hence the SEPIO solution. As an aside, I see we could just add one more property now to the SEPIO has_subject, has_predicate, has_object trio, namely, has_negation (true/false) to keep a meta vision, if that happens to be an attractive solution from a SEPIO view. It avoids adding negated versions of object properties.

James notes that a foundational ontology issue is about the longstanding absence of propositions in the BFO paradigm, though they are common in philosophy.

So from a BFO/OWL view, currently it is problematic to describe a paper's experimental hypothesis (OBI "testable hypothesis") as a triple directly at class or instance level: say there is a "testable hypothesis" of "X related to Y" in one paper, which concludes "X not related to Y" as a "conclusion based on data". Dedicating a knowledge graph to just that one paper would lead to contradiction, let alone a knowledge graph of conflicting papers.

In RO call discussion Jim raised possibility of using a Negative Object Property Assertion to express the proposition or conclusion, however this only works at an instance level, not a universal level, and doesn't allow us to point to the proposition directly, but rather only indirectly by way of axioms on the subject X instance.

ddooley commented 5 days ago

Just a heads up that we will be testing something like this in Protege. Of course I'm wondering how this might align with past OBI work on subject. Not quite sure about relation between experimental evidence, measurement datum but will sort that and other things out with further consultation and OBI defns.

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