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Operator Discretization Library https://odlgroup.github.io/odl/
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wikipedia page for ODL #1346

Open mehrhardt opened 6 years ago

mehrhardt commented 6 years ago

Not sure about this myself but it might be worth thinking about whether ODL should get a wikipedia page, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ODL.

adler-j commented 6 years ago

Great Idea. Would you like to start one? The rest of us could help filling it in.

Just make sure it does not sound like a commercial :D

mehrhardt commented 6 years ago

Not really :) Any other volunteers?

aringh commented 6 years ago

Short draft created. Anyone can edit, and within six months we need to submit for review in order to publish is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Operator_Discretization_Library

mehrhardt commented 6 years ago

I think this is already pretty good! We could already publish it like this and keep changing it from time to time.

Additional information that could be included: developers, fields / applications this has already been used for, more details on how it works / why it is good.

adler-j commented 6 years ago

I added a nice little software sidebar to it. I guess it looks serious enough to submit for review now.

W.r.t. "why this is good" we really need to think about NPOV when writing this so appears neutral.

aringh commented 6 years ago

I have never edited wiki-articles before. Before creating the draft I had to add a COI-disclaimer on my personal page. Does anyone know how these work exactly? Can I state what kind of conflict of interest it is (contributor to the open source project)?

aringh commented 6 years ago

Also, I think that @ozanoktem should have a look at it before we submit :wink:

sbanert commented 6 years ago

I don’t know what applies to the English Wikipedia, but in the German one the article would be deleted almost instantly because it violates the relevance criteria (for the English equivalent see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability).

adler-j commented 6 years ago

I kinda agree with @sbanert. I guess a good reference for something that is accepted as relevant is FEniC, which first got a wikipedia page in 2010.

Lets try to polish the draft a bit more before we move ahead with publishing it.

mehrhardt commented 5 years ago

I just noticed that the draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Operator_Discretization_Library got deleted. What happened?

adler-j commented 5 years ago

I guess the drafts timeout after 6 months as per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Drafts

with that said ODL is getting mature enough to actually have a wikipedia page by now.

mehrhardt commented 5 years ago

Agreed. Does anyone have a copy of what we wrote last year?

aringh commented 5 years ago

... :disappointed: You can request undeletion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion/G13 Should we do that and try to publish the draft?

mehrhardt commented 5 years ago

I requested an undeletion and now it is back: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Operator_Discretization_Library

We should be finalising this soon so that it does not disappear again!

What do you think is missing / needed?

adler-j commented 5 years ago

The history part could use a source and perhaps the list of places involved could be reduced? Otherwise, I think we could perhaps have a go for it.

aringh commented 5 years ago

Does the github page work as a source? Quoting:

ODL developers Development of ODL started in 2014 as part of the project "Low complexity image reconstruction in medical imaging” by Ozan Öktem (@ozanoktem), Jonas Adler (@adler-j) and Holger Kohr (@kohr-h). Several others have made significant contributions, see the contributors list.

To contact the developers either open an issue on the issue tracker or send an email to odl@math.kth.se.

Funding ODL has primarily been developed at KTH Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm and Centrum Wiskunde & Informatica (CWI), Amsterdam. It is financially supported by the Swedish Foundation for Strategic Research as part of the project "Low complexity image reconstruction in medical imaging".

Some development time has also been financed by Elekta.

aringh commented 5 years ago

Should we just submit the draft, before it expires again?

adler-j commented 5 years ago

Yeah, we should simply quote the github page. Then we can submit it

aringh commented 5 years ago

We got the submission declined due to not adequately supported by reliable sources :disappointed: Should we cite some of the articles citing ODL, and/or Zenodo?

mehrhardt commented 5 years ago

Good idea, @aringh!

What is the response from wikipedia as a whole? (i.e. putting the quote into context)

aringh commented 5 years ago

Actually, that is basically it: This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

The response as a whole can be found on the draft page.

aringh commented 5 years ago

I have added an number of references. Please feel free to have a look and update. If no one updates or otherwise comments on it, I will resubmit in a while.

adler-j commented 5 years ago

Looks nice to me!

aringh commented 4 years ago

This has been turned down again, see the draft page. Not sure what to do about it...

mehrhardt commented 4 years ago

Same here. Not sure what coverage is needed to justify a wikipedia article. I just noted that even ASTRA does not have one, not sure they tried though.

adler-j commented 4 years ago

It might be that we simply have to wait with a Wikipedia page at this point and not keep pushing it. I'll leave this issue open for now though.