Reduplicated signs

[ohbendy]

So far I've implemented doubled signs for anusvara, -ai and long -aa:

(When long -aa is doubled, the second one is shorter, I found that in one of the manuscripts and thought it worth preserving, since when the other marks are doubled, the second one is a bit smaller.)

I'm not sure how the doubled -i and -ii should be handled; these examples might or might not be reduplicated -i/-ii (as it's the same word, I think it's unlikely to be a mistake twice).

Maybe it's safer to just drawn the second one offset like with the anusvara?

Also, for doubled asat, should we include doubled glyphs for both kinds of asat? And how should they look?

[StephenMorey]

What you have drawn is beautiful I did also offset the Long II vowel and sat in a similar way to the AM (Anusvara). I have posted the photo of the first three on Facebook just now.

[ohbendy]

I'll make offset versions of doubled -i and doubled -ii. The -u we just mentioned from your email and in the other thread here.

So we just need to decide whether to include doubled vowels -a, -uu and -e, and perhaps sat/virama/killer and the -au/aw/o vowel sign.

[ohbendy]

Doubled -i presents spacing implications.

On the left, mi mimi maa; on the right, mi mimi mi. My inclination would be to move the final 'mi' to the right so the vowels don't bump. Should I also move the 'maa' to the right even though it's not bumping?

[ohbendy]

Perhaps another doubled -ii from Kensan's image:

[ohbendy]

Can the -au vowel also be doubled? If so, how should it look?

[ChowKensan]

I don’t know why there is a doubled ii in that word. It should be written as ပိင (“paing” which means love). For doubled -au, I am attaching a picture. It should be read as “naau-naau”

[ChowKensan]

[ChowKensan]

Some more examples. It can be read as "phaü phaü man man, het het pai pai"

[ohbendy]

Perfect, thank you.

I'm wondering about how these manuscripts would have been written. What kind of pen or brush is traditionally used? Maybe I can write a blog post about this beautiful style.

[ChowKensan]

Some people used to write with the help of a pen that is usually made from bamboo or a kind of fern. But I don't know if there was any special pen used by the traditional scribes. This is actually a very interesting question and for the answer I will have to ask the elders of different Tai communities.

[ChowKensan]

Doubled ii vowel.

[ohbendy]

Are all these from Phake manuscripts, or are some also Khamyang?

[ChowKensan]

These all are from Khamyang manuscript. (Other parts of my grandfather’s manuscript)

[ohbendy]

Here's what we have currently for the doubled vowel signs:

I'm not sure how doubled -i, doubled -u and doubled -uu should look.

[StephenMorey]

I think that this looks good. But can you alter this so that the last one is changed to U+1000 written twice so that the whole list is ka ka, kaa kaa, ki ki, kai kai, kau kau, kam kam and kak kak?

[ohbendy]

I think we've covered all the possible reduplicated signs, so I'm closing this thread for now.