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James Joyce's novel Ulysses in TEI XML. Work-in-progress.
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hide <certainty> content in XSL #35

Open JonathanReeve opened 6 years ago

JonathanReeve commented 6 years ago

We're encoding certainty like this: 

<lb n="060004"/><said xml:id="060004-a" who="Cunningham">―Come on, Simon.
<certainty target="#060004-a" match="@who" locus="value" assertedValue="Power" degree="0.5">
    <desc>It's unclear here whether it's Cunningham or Power speaking.</desc>
</certainty>
</said>

...but this obviously shouldn't appear in the transformed HTML output.

Ideally, when displaying the dialogue tags for this, we'd have some kind of dotted line or something to indicate fuzziness.

yellwork commented 6 years ago

This makes sense to me. I can imagine a few different visualizations. Where it gets more interesting is deciding what such ambiguity means for a statistical analysis of speakers and their speech. (I suppose, too, that Joyce’s male characters are too poorly distinguished for such analysis to resolve the ambiguity of who is speaking?)

btw I labelled the xml:id with the line number followed by the word unclear (in case we end up using IDs for other purposes). Happy to revert if that's cumbersome.

<lb n="060004"/><said xml:id="060004_unclear" who="mc">―Come on, Simon.
   <certainty target="#060004_unclear" match="@who" […]

How do we attribute dialogue in an exchange between several people ? There’s a spot like this in Hades where no speakers are given for several lines of dialogue:

<lb n="060114"/><said who="lb">―I met M'Coy this morning,</said> Mr Bloom said. <said who="lb">He said he'd try to come.</said></p>
<p><lb n="060115"/>The carriage halted short.
<lb n="060116"/><said who="unclear">―What's wrong?</said>
<lb n="060117"/><said who="unclear">―We're stopped.</said>
<lb n="060118"/><said who="unclear">―Where are we?</said></p>
<p><lb n="060119"/>Mr Bloom put his head out of the window.
<lb n="060120"/><said who="lb">―The grand canal,</said> he said.</p>

The unclears can only be Cunningham, Power or Simon Dedalus (with Bloom, perhaps, chiming in at U 6.117). How best would that be encoded?

yellwork commented 6 years ago

On second thoughts, moving the question of encoding an unattributed exchange to #19.

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