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Creating a platform for open sharing of multibeam electron micoscopy data and methods #6

Open arentkievits opened 2 years ago

arentkievits commented 2 years ago

Project Lead: @arentkievits

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arentkievits commented 2 years ago

Vision Statement I am working with electron microscopists, computer scientists and data scientists to create new methodology for volume electron microscopy so that researchers that have no experience in volume EM can enter the field more easily and make use of existing architecture. I am working open because there are many different people from different field who want to do volume EM and we are facing common challenges such as data storage, segmentation and visualization.

arentkievits commented 2 years ago

My Open Canvas: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1YzTxXuZL2jkDqhEdKVU5fgEg4IJHLL3cKopgwL-TZtY/edit?usp=sharing

arentkievits commented 2 years ago

Opened up a repo for the project https://github.com/arentkievits/MB-SEM

arentkievits commented 2 years ago

The README https://github.com/arentkievits/MB-SEM#readme

Lisanna commented 2 years ago

My Open Canvas: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1YzTxXuZL2jkDqhEdKVU5fgEg4IJHLL3cKopgwL-TZtY/edit?usp=sharing

Hi @arentkievits, I would like to share some feedback about your open canvas. I think I understand the problem that you are trying to solve, but I am not sure it is phrased clearly in your canvas. Is the usage of the multibeam electron microscope data not straightforward? Are you trying to build some sort of open documentation to make other users able to handle it, or rather you want to openly share the results of your work? Also, I am not familiar with the two acronyms you used in the user channels: could you maybe specify more in a comment?

manulera commented 2 years ago

Hi @arentkievits! Just catching up with the previous assignments. Nice Open Canvas and Readme, I think the goal of the project is very clear. I was thinking that it would be nice to have an example (an imaginary case study) where you describe a particular use-case. For example, what question does a researcher want to answer using this particular EM technique, how does he approach MB-SEM and what he gets out of it in terms of info, data storage, methods, etc.

You also mention a python package, is this to manage the microscope acquisition or for data processing? This was not clear to me from the readme.

arentkievits commented 2 years ago

My Open Canvas: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1YzTxXuZL2jkDqhEdKVU5fgEg4IJHLL3cKopgwL-TZtY/edit?usp=sharing

Hi @arentkievits, I would like to share some feedback about your open canvas. I think I understand the problem that you are trying to solve, but I am not sure it is phrased clearly in your canvas. Is the usage of the multibeam electron microscope data not straightforward? Are you trying to build some sort of open documentation to make other users able to handle it, or rather you want to openly share the results of your work? Also, I am not familiar with the two acronyms you used in the user channels: could you maybe specify more in a comment?

Hi @Lisanna, thank you for having a look and giving feedback! I agree that I still have to phrase it a bit more clearly, thanks for pointing that out. The use of the multibeam electron microscope brings some challenges: sample preparation is more difficult, it produces more data than a regular microscope, where to store this data, how to annotate it, how to share it with other researchers.

My primary goal is to openly share the methods and results, so that other researchers that are going to work with this technique (which will be the case in a year or later) can learn from this. I also want to encourage other researchers to contribute.

The acronyms: volume electron microscopy (Volume EM, which is kind of a new research field), correlative light and electron microscopy (CLEM, also a quickly developing research field with dedicated conferences) and Netherlands Electron Microscopy Infrastructure (NEMI). These are all opportunities for me to share my work, either via conferences or workshops.

arentkievits commented 2 years ago

Hi @arentkievits! Just catching up with the previous assignments. Nice Open Canvas and Readme, I think the goal of the project is very clear. I was thinking that it would be nice to have an example (an imaginary case study) where you describe a particular use-case. For example, what question does a researcher want to answer using this particular EM technique, how does he approach MB-SEM and what he gets out of it in terms of info, data storage, methods, etc.

You also mention a python package, is this to manage the microscope acquisition or for data processing? This was not clear to me from the readme.

Hi @manulera, very good suggestions! It would indeed be a good idea to add a case study. In fact, I am thinking about some at the moment. Since I am still in the early stage of my PhD and the multibeam electron microscope has just been installed, I have not had the time to work on this yet but it will soon follow.

Currently I am working on a separate repository for visualizing some data with the detection method used in the new multibeam electron microscope. The one you are referring to is still on the planning, but it will be related to data processing. We still need to figure out how to go from the raw data to a reconstructed volume. There are methods available but we should customize them to our situation. I am going to design a flexible and scalable approach such that it can be used for small but also very large data sets. The plan is to make it deployable on high performance clusters

EstherPlomp commented 2 years ago

Hi @arentkievits: Nice Open Canvas!

I agree with earlier feedback that your problem statement could be a bit more specific about the problem that you're trying to solve (why is producing a lot of data an issue: sounds like a fantastic problem to have if you do not have any data ;)), so perhaps you can incorporate some of your answers here into the canvas?

From your Unique Value Proposition I get the feeling that you would like to provide a space where people from different disciplines can work together? Perhaps add something in terms of 'allowing for interdisciplinary commutation/contributions' ? I suppose what would make your idea unique is that there are currently perhaps databases with shared resources but they do not necessarily include the involvement of the community to contribute to the development? Or a discussion forum? Maybe you can be a bit more specific about what sets your initiative apart from existing ones?

For resources I would also list the human resources such as the time needed to contribute or maintain your solution.

User Channels: I'm going to be annoying again and suggest Twitter? ;)

Contributor channels: Did you already have to set up your contributor.md file for the repository? This is generally a place where people would look for information on how to contribute to projects. Let me know if that needs more explanation!

Contributor profiles: a suggestion for "people who like to code": data managers or research software engineers?

Hope this is helpful! If anything is unclear, please let me know.

EstherPlomp commented 2 years ago

Hi @arentkievits: Well done on processing the feedback! I only have one comment on your unique proposition as it says "This would be unique compared to other data repositories". Why is this different from other data repositories? Because they only allow uploading and no discussions? Or are discussions organised more top down?

Other than that it is super clear! I also have no further comments on your Project Development Plan: the milestones look good and the time estimates are reasonable: well done!

Something else (and maybe your supervisor already mentioned this to you): The Digital Competence Center of TU Delft has a call out for support from research software engineers which might also be helpful so that you have some support in working on this? Deadline is 1 Dec. See their website for more information: https://www.tudelft.nl/en/library/library-for-researchers/library-for-researchers/setting-up-research/dcc/apply-for-support.

arentkievits commented 2 years ago

Hi @arentkievits: Well done on processing the feedback! I only have one comment on your unique proposition as it says "This would be unique compared to other data repositories". Why is this different from other data repositories? Because they only allow uploading and no discussions? Or are discussions organised more top down?

Other than that it is super clear! I also have no further comments on your Project Development Plan: the milestones look good and the time estimates are reasonable: well done!

Something else (and maybe your supervisor already mentioned this to you): The Digital Competence Center of TU Delft has a call out for support from research software engineers which might also be helpful so that you have some support in working on this? Deadline is 1 Dec. See their website for more information: https://www.tudelft.nl/en/library/library-for-researchers/library-for-researchers/setting-up-research/dcc/apply-for-support.

Hi Esther,

Thanks a lot! 👍 I will have a look at your suggestion.

Indeed my supervisor has informed me about the DCC call and we are actually submitting a request for help with a file converter to make our electron microscopy data more FAIR! Anyway, good suggestion to ask for support with the Open MB-SEM project, I will think about it!