Profiles: SIM access profile (rSAP)

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Is support for the SIM access profile available/planned?

Original issue reported on code.google.com by tell...@gmail.com on 9 May 2010 at 5:38

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Hi. I've looked a bit into this profile and could not find any/much technical
documentation, especially how one talks to the SIM on the iPhone eg.

It is therefor below other interesting projects I'm working on personally. This 
said,
I'll welcome anybody working on any BT profile and will try to help out as good 
as I can.

Original comment by matthias.ringwald@gmail.com on 10 May 2010 at 8:38

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Original comment by matthias.ringwald@gmail.com on 10 May 2010 at 8:38

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The idea ist the following:
Many people have an ipod touch and a normal cellphone which supports bluetooth 
SAP.
They don't want to buy an iphone because the allready have a phone.
So they search for a possibility to connect ipod touch and the cellphone to make
normal calls and write sms.
This won't make an ipod touch an iphone, but it would certainly offer more 
possiblitys.

Original comment by tell...@gmail.com on 10 May 2010 at 10:53

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I seriously doubt that SAP is supported by 'normal' cellphones, that's rather 
for
middle to upper class phones.

SAP is provided to talk to a SIM card in another phone. By this a second 
phone-like
device with its own GSM/UMTS chipset can act as if the SIM would be in there 
and make
phone calls or send text messages. This is used by advanced car navigation or
entertainment systems.

SAP cannot allow phone calls or write SMS over the second phone.

However, sending/receiving SMS is possible via plain-old 'AT' modem commands 
over
every cheap phone. This wouldn't be to hard to implement on iPod touch. But 
then, I
guess I would rather use the phone to get full internet access.

Original comment by matthias.ringwald@gmail.com on 10 May 2010 at 11:55

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Do you think sms and phonecalls would be possible threw the HFP?

Original comment by tell...@gmail.com on 11 May 2010 at 9:09

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Phonecalls via HFP: that seems possible. the iPod would behave as a headset and
should get the audio via Bluetooth. Not sure if you can initiate calls tough.

Sending SMS is possible by sending AT commands over the RFCOMM protocol of the 
SPP
profile. That's rather straight forward - still someone has to implement it.

Original comment by matthias.ringwald@gmail.com on 11 May 2010 at 10:56

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Hey,

Would really appreciate it if someone (extremely clever - and super amazing!) 
could get iphone 3GS to connect to 
RSAP....

I have a RSAP-ONLY Bluetooth Car kit (OEM) and it kills me not to be able to 
use it with my iphone.... :-(

Original comment by neilrasi...@gmail.com on 18 May 2010 at 5:49

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@neilrsikshah Try finding technical documentation for this profile. If you find 
docs,
just attach it to this ticket, I will move stuff to a wiki page. So far, I 
couldn't
find anything more than a two page flyer from a car company.

Original comment by matthias.ringwald@gmail.com on 18 May 2010 at 6:35

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@matthias.ringwald, cheers for the quick reply! I have a RNS-510 system in my 
VW Touareg with the premium 
bluetooth option - the bluetooth profile I believe is rSAP (remote Sim Access 
Profile) and surprisingly (after a 
lot of searching around I came up with no techical document on this profile, 
and to my surprise it is not even 
listed on 
http://bluetooth.com/English/Technology/Works/Pages/Profiles_Overview.aspx

Not too sure how to proceed from here?!

Also, found this link with some files that kindof relate to the same topic, for 
a different device, but my 
thoughts are that someone could use them to figure out the technicals of the 
rSAP profile...

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=372529

Cheers again for taking the time...

Original comment by neilrasi...@gmail.com on 19 May 2010 at 2:34

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@neilrasikshah Hm, if there was some doing a Windows CE version, he still needs
documents. You could try to contact this guy and ask for documents. (I would 
suggest
that :)

I've tried to get info from a friend working at a premium car stereo 
manufacturer,
but did not get a useful answer.

So far, it's rather low on my list, but hey, why not? 

Original comment by matthias.ringwald@gmail.com on 19 May 2010 at 2:41

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Hey, 
again cheers for the quick reply... 
Will definitely be asking the developer of the windows version if he has any 
documentation...

Original comment by neilrasi...@gmail.com on 20 May 2010 at 4:36

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Two more links.

http://bluetooth.com/Specification%20Documents/PBAP_SPEC_V10r00.pdf
http://bluetooth.com/Specification%20Documents/SAP_SPEC_V11.pdf

Original comment by christia...@googlemail.com on 18 Oct 2010 at 8:49

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nice going redin... hopefully someone clever can help sort this issue out now...

Original comment by neilrasi...@gmail.com on 18 Oct 2010 at 9:02

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Any news regarding this issue?

Original comment by J.Schlot...@gmail.com on 16 Jan 2011 at 6:32

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yupp. see here: http://code.google.com/p/btstack/wiki/RemoteSimAccessProtocol

Original comment by matthias.ringwald@gmail.com on 2 Feb 2011 at 2:23

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Original comment by matthias.ringwald@gmail.com on 9 Jul 2011 at 10:06

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http://www.jens-david-consulting.com/en/home-en/12-category-en/category-products
-en/24-rsapserver-en

Original comment by matthias.ringwald@gmail.com on 4 May 2012 at 8:08

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Great to see this. I have a very dumb question though: Does this also work on 
the iPod touch 4G? I did not like to spend 100s of $ for an iPhone, when the 
iPod can offer much of the same functionality...

Original comment by mr.ber...@gmail.com on 4 May 2012 at 8:30