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An Open Platform for National Electricity Market Data
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Pumped storage needs a distinct colour #168

Open bje- opened 1 year ago

bje- commented 1 year ago

Just as batteries use two colours (one for charging and one for discharging), so should pumped storage hydro. Lumping the pumped storage plants in with conventional hydro makes it impossible to see when the pumped storage is operated.

dylanjmcconnell commented 1 year ago

Worth noting - we do actually show pumping and generation (just as we do for batteries) - and have one color for charging (pumping) and one for discharging. From that perspective they are treated the same on openNEM. What we don't do (which I think is probably more what you're asking?) is distinguishing between generation from stored hydro and generation from conventional hydro.

I agree that doing this would be good - and something we have discussed before too. The challenge is what to do with Tumut 3 - which does have pumps, but is also predominantly a conventional hydro plant. You would nee to make assumptions around round trip efficiency and some logic on how you might partition "stored" water and "harvested" water - (both of which I have balked at before).

That said - separating out Wivenhoe and Shoalhaven would be relatively straight forward.

I would also add it could be an opportunity to add a further category here - 'run of river' hydro. This is largely in Tasmania and northern Queensland (and is essentially a form of variable generation). Distinguishing between "controllable" or "dispatchable" (or what ever word is right) hydro and run of river hydro could also be done. Would add more complexity - but in some ways is not too different to (say) the different forms of gas generation.

simonhac commented 1 year ago

someone told me shoalhaven is a bit complicated. iirc the top reservoir feeds sydney water, so not all pumped water comes back down again.

i could have that wrong.

bje- commented 1 year ago

Yes, that's right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoalhaven_Scheme