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Added new section about means testing Christmas Bonus #594

Closed JackCox83 closed 7 years ago

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Floppy commented 7 years ago

I agree with means testing it, though I'd be concerned over the extra cost of doing so outweighing the saving, but presumably if it rolls into other things with universal credit then that should be easy.

On a more general note though, why do we even have a £10 xmas bonus?

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JackCox83 commented 7 years ago

That's it, currently most people with a state pension or claim certain benefits get a tax free £10 the week before Christmas. It could be so much more effective I feel used to combat a certain issue. These are the current benefits that are entitled to it: Back to Education Allowance (people coming from jobseeker's payments must have been on their payment and/or BTEA for 15 months) Back to Work Allowance Back to Work Enterprise Allowance Back to Work Family Dividend Basic Supplementary Welfare Allowance (long-term only - 15 months) Blind Pension Carer's Allowance and Benefit (including half-rate Carer's Allowance) Community Employment Deserted Wife's Allowance and Benefit Disability Allowance Disablement Pension and Widow's, Widower's or Surviving Civil Partner's Pension under the Occupational Injuries Scheme Domiciliary Care Allowance Farm Assist Gateway Guardian's Payment (Contributory) and (Non-Contributory) Invalidity Pension Job Initiative JobBridge (people coming from jobseeker's payments must have been on their payment and/or JobBridge for 15 months) Jobseeker's Allowance (long-term only - 15 months (over 390 days of unemployment)) Jobseeker's Transitional payment Magdalen Laundry Payments One-Parent Family Payment Partial Capacity Benefit Pre-Retirement Allowance Rural Social Scheme State Pension (Contributory) and (Non-Contributory) Tús VTOS (people coming from jobseeker's payments must have been on their payment and/or VTOS for 15 months) Widow, Widower's or Surviving Civil Partner's Pension (Contributory) and (Non-Contributory)

dartiss commented 7 years ago

I disagree with the plan to means test it. Indeed, I've submitted a general proposal about means testing as I believe it's an unfair way to allocate resources, particularly for those people just outside the bounds of testing.

To give you an example, there's been lots of discussions recently about benefits to the elderly and those receiving cold weather payments. The thing is, it doesn't take many of these tests for those people just above whatever cap there is to end up worse off than those just below.

In all cases, at least, I believe more thought should be made of finding another solution, other than means testing. I accept that, in some cases, there may not be a fair alternative but I think those instances should be limited.

So, back to this one, yes, why do we have it at all? What's it achieving? If it's to help those most in need on the run up to Christmas, why not have it as an uplift in benefits around this time?

Floppy commented 7 years ago

Thanks @dartiss, and thanks for opening the other discussion on means testing in general, it's exactly how this should work :)

ghost commented 7 years ago

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philipjohn commented 7 years ago

I'm gonna say no, because I'm questioning why there is even a bonus in the first place. I'm not even a fan of bonuses in general, to be honest.

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