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Research why Strongs 376 and 582 are both applied to the form הָאֲנָשִׁים #2

Closed dowens76 closed 11 years ago

dowens76 commented 11 years ago

Currently just over 2/3 of the occurrences of הָאֲנָשִׁים are tagged with the Strongs:376. However, just under a third are tagged with Strongs:582. The former lemma is אִישׁ while the latter is אֱנוֹשׁ. HALOT lists both as having the plural form אֲנָשִׁים (pp. 44 and 71). Need to research this and see whether there is any basis for assigning individual entries to one or the other lemma.

jag3773 commented 11 years ago

T ​his interested me, I took a brief look at Holladay and there is a note for ​אֱנוֹשׁ that says "mostly poetic." Is it possible that the 1/3 of occurrences pointing at 582 are in poetry?

Thank you, Jesse Griffin www.ekfocus.com

On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Daniel Owens notifications@github.comwrote:

Currently just over 2/3 of the occurrences of הָאֲנָשִׁים are tagged with the Strongs:376. However, just under a third are tagged with Strongs:582. The former lemma is אִישׁ while the latter is אֱנוֹשׁ. HALOT lists both as having the plural form אֲנָשִׁים (pp. 44 and 71). Need to research this and see whether there is any basis for assigning individual entries to one or the other lemma.

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DavidTroidl commented 11 years ago

BDB lists about 42 instances for אֱנוֹשׁ In the WLC Index I have over 200 for 582. So here is a case that should be updated. I attached Enosh.txt, the updated listing from the WLC Index. I marked all the BDB enosh entries with a +. The rest can be changed, if you have an easy way to do it in the CSV.

David

On 7/13/2013 1:08 AM, Daniel Owens wrote:

Currently just over 2/3 of the occurrences of הָאֲנָשִׁים are tagged with the Strongs:376. However, just under a third are tagged with Strongs:582. The former lemma is אִישׁ while the latter is אֱנוֹשׁ. HALOT lists both as having the plural form אֲנָשִׁים (pp. 44 and 71). Need to research this and see whether there is any basis for assigning individual entries to one or the other lemma.

— Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub https://github.com/openscriptures/morphhb/issues/2.

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DavidTroidl commented 11 years ago

The OSHB files have been updated.

On 7/13/2013 1:08 AM, Daniel Owens wrote:

Currently just over 2/3 of the occurrences of הָאֲנָשִׁים are tagged with the Strongs:376. However, just under a third are tagged with Strongs:582. The former lemma is אִישׁ while the latter is אֱנוֹשׁ. HALOT lists both as having the plural form אֲנָשִׁים (pp. 44 and 71). Need to research this and see whether there is any basis for assigning individual entries to one or the other lemma.

— Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub https://github.com/openscriptures/morphhb/issues/2.

dowens76 commented 11 years ago

Good, thanks David. I think that was the right way to go, and I could not do it in the CSV files very easily. I searched in the morphology of the Werkgroep Informatica, Vrije Universiteit and the Westminster Hebrew Morphology, and both of them only parse the singular form of אֶנֹושׁ as that lemma. The plural form אֲנָשִׁים is always parsed as אִישׁ, which is Strongs:376. I think we can mark this closed.