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traffic_signals for pedastrians are missing (1.9.2) #3050

Closed d1g closed 8 years ago

d1g commented 8 years ago

highway=traffic_signals - "Required. Indicates traffic signals for cars." (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtraffic_signals)

crossing=traffic_signals - "Required. Indicates traffic signals for pedestrians." (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtraffic_signals)

"crossing=traffic_signals Position this tag where the crossing-traffic (pedestrian, bicycles) have their own traffic lights. Mostly near highway=traffic_signals." (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:crossing)

bhousel commented 8 years ago

We have a preset for highway=traffic_signals already that can be set on junction nodes.

We have a generic preset for highway=crossing that can be set on junction nodes or ways. It displays as "Street Crossing" and allows users to pick the "Type" from any of the commonly used crossing=* values (top values currently are: uncontrolled, traffic_signals, zebra, unmarked). I don't like crossing=traffic_signals because it breaks duck tagging but people can set it here if they really want to.

We have a specific preset for highway=crossing + crossing=zebra that displays as "Pedestrian Crosswalk". We discussed it extensively on #2918 and I'm not planning to change it anytime soon as there is no better alternative at this time.

d1g commented 8 years ago

because it breaks duck tagging

Nobody except for maybe English speakers support duck tagging in database.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Duck_tagging&action=history

User Cartinus or next guy from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Users_against_tag_voting

represent only marginal views (even when counting only wiki users), but force WAY too hard in OSM.

Refer to actual policies, not random Richard phrases. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#Document_your_custom-tags

And no @systemed or Richard Fairhurst, an journalist, cartographer and canal person, is nohow experienced in this question. After 10 years in OSM this guy wrote 0 POI catalogues based on OSM data. I don't see why his statements about how to define new tags should be respected.

d1g commented 8 years ago

I don't like crossing=traffic_signals because it breaks duck tagging but people can set it here if they really want to.

Why they don't want to tag a pedestrian crossing?!

crossing=traffic_signals was defined/described as "pedestrian crossing" at two pages

Regardless of which tags to use, there no label "pedestrian crossing" in iD right now.

bhousel commented 8 years ago

And no @systemed or Richard Fairhurst, an journalist, cartographer and canal person, is nohow experienced in this question. After 10 years in OSM this guy wrote 0 POI catalogues based on OSM data. I don't see why his statements about how to define new tags should be respected.

The currency of any open project is measured in meaningful contributions and RichardF has earned more of it than anybody.

Sorry @d1g I'm banning you from the iD issue tracker for a while. You're becoming a pest and the rest of us here have important work to do.