Presets for climbing features

mfbehrens commented 4 years ago

Hi,

it would be very useful if there was a preset for climbing. It should mainly be for nodes

The wiki article can be found here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Climbing

Best, Michael

maro-21 commented 4 years ago

What preset do you mean? Sport=climbing is just a tag used in combination with other tags.

mfbehrens commented 4 years ago

When you are tagging outdoor climbing then it is used as the "main tag" See: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1425479699

According to the wiki leisure=sports_center only has to be applied when the locations is artificial

maro-21 commented 4 years ago

Every feature on OSM must have a main tag. Such feature won't be visible anywehere on maps.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:sport "A sport=* should normally also be associated with a suitable physical feature where it is performed; often this is leisure=pitch or leisure=track although other surfaces or features are sometimes appropriate, for example natural=beach for swimming and scuba diving. A leisure=sports_centre may be associated with a number of sports. Where individual sports are played at distinct identifiable places then identify the sport with the particular pitch etc."

mfbehrens commented 4 years ago

I know that this is how it should be however according to https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/sport=climbing#combinations only 22% sport=climbing have a leisure=* tag. The thing is that natural climbing sites should not be tagged as leisure.

maro-21 commented 4 years ago

The link you provided shows that in most cases climbing is connected to some physical object: natural 40.15% + leisure 22.12% = 62.27%.

The thing is that natural climbing sites should not be tagged as leisure.

Yes, they aren't tagged as leisure becasue they're tagged as natural=cliff or natural=bare_rock. People climb on something. It can be either a natural rock/cliff or a man made construction. It doesn't have to be leisure=* or pitch.

tyrasd commented 2 years ago

I think the primary tag is simply climbing in this case. For example climbing=area, climbing=route, climbing=crag or climbing=bolder.

mfbehrens commented 2 years ago

If anybody can create the raw structure and an example I can implement the rest of the tags and keys

zbycz commented 1 year ago

Hi, I summarized all climbing features in a table.

1) as you can see, crag and boulder have both two ways of tagging which are equally popular. What is the proper procedure to include both in iD? Perhaps create two presets with same name, where one is searchable (prefered) and second not? And second references first's name?

2) Any suggestions to the preset names? I don't like Climbing route - bottom much, but as I am not a native speaker I can't say. Perhaps "start" could be better?

3) Can we also create a preset for the freestanding "sport=climbing"? It would help people evolve it to something more specific.

preset name	tags	types from wiki	#
Climbing gym (done)	leisure = sport_center sport = climbing	node	4k
Rock climbing crag	natural = cliff sport = climbing	node,way	7k
	climbing = crag	node,relation	3k
Rock climbing boulder	natural = stone sport = climbing	node,area	1k
	climbing = boulder	node,relation	1k
Rock climbing area	climbing = area	node,area,relation	0k
Climbing route	climbing = route	node,way	1k
Climbing route - bottom	climbing = route_bottom	node	4k
Climbing route - top	climbing = route_top	node	0k

. . . fallback category:
Climbing site	sport = climbing	any	17k

Full table here - with counts per type.

zbycz commented 9 months ago

PR here: https://github.com/openstreetmap/id-tagging-schema/pull/1113

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Presets for climbing features #31