Open forteller opened 1 year ago
tyrasd
commented
1 year ago OSM Tag(s)
The full tagging would be amenity=parking_space + parking_space=car_sharing, right?
Label I don't really understand the question? Car sharing, I guess?
Which "name" should the preset for this tag have? Car Sharing would be too ambiguous. Maybe something like Car Sharing Parking Space or Car Sharing Parking Spot could work?!
forteller
commented
1 year ago The full tagging would be amenity=parking_space + parking_space=car_sharing, right?
Yes that seems correct.
Although, looking again at the wiki now I see that it's also possible to use amenity=parking + carpool=designated …? And looking at taginfo there's 362 nodes using "carpool". So maybe it's better to use that? But why is that amenity=parking and not =parking_space, and is there a difference between car_sharing and carpool? I'm a bit confused, I must say. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:carpool
Which "name" should the preset for this tag have? Car Sharing would be too ambiguous. Maybe something like Car Sharing Parking Space or Car Sharing Parking Spot could work?!
Ah, right! Yes, both those options seems fine to me. As a non-native English speaker I can't say I really know which is best.
Thanks!
tordans
commented
1 year ago I don't want to weigh in too much here, but just we have it all in the thread: From the point of view of our https://parkraum.osm-verkehrswende.org/ project, the amenity=parking_space schema is not our favorite thing. There are various reasons, for example…
access=* tagging — however, no one harmonized those schema, yetamenity=parking_space should only exists on top of a amenity=parking is confusing. It results in double tagging of data which results in out of sync data. It is also very hard to explain to users that don't do a good chunk of wiki reading but just select something from iD Presets. — The confusion @forteller just described is a great example of this.Right now there is only one preset that uses amenity=parking_space (Searchresults) which is the one for disabled parking.
I wonder if we do ourselves any favors by adding more of those presents given that the schema is not that solid and the possibility for misunderstanding and then missuing the presents is IMO real.
I did not research the carpool-Key but if that fits the bill of what you want to tag, that might be a great solution to work around using a parking_space preset…
forteller
commented
1 year ago Ok, so this is what I think is the difference between car_sharing and carpool: car_sharing is that different people can use the same car at different times, while carpooling is that more than one person use the same car at the same time.
But on the wiki it says
car_sharing A parking space reserved for a certain network's carpool=*
So yeah, that is confusing to me. And all the rest is too :P
Right now there is only one preset that uses amenity=parking_space which is the one for disabled parking.
Oops, sorry, I think that was me asking for that too…
From the wiki it seems this can be changed to amenity=parking + capacity:disabled=yes
And then I guess we can maybe just use amenity=car_sharing for parking spaces reserved for car sharing cars? But then the name in iD should be changed, I think, because you don't think of a single parking spot as a "car sharing station".
WebFreak001
commented
11 months ago hi, I have a usecase here where there is a parking space of capacity 4 and one of them is reserved for a special car sharing club - I would expect the key to be something like capacity:car_sharing=1 or capacity:car_sharing:club_name_here=1
This mixed use is probably something to consider for the tagging scheme, since the only other alternative would be mapping the different spaces as separate areas.
For now I will do this spot as separate areas.
forteller
commented
5 days ago Now I just found several single parking spaces tagged with parking_space=car_sharing, which has to be wrong, since I can't find that in the wiki at all, right?
I think since amenity=car_sharing is in the wiki and is even rendered by multiple maps, that's what iD should use. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcar_sharing
I'd love to see this implemented! Thanks a lot! :)
tordans
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4 days ago @forteller we have https://github.com/openstreetmap/id-tagging-schema/blob/6d863935200bbe1150377be01ba1f03c0aa82848/data/presets/amenity/car_sharing.json#L24 already.
Can someone add a summary of what is still open in this issue … or if it can be closed? – That would be very helpful to move it along.
OSM Tag(s)
parking_space=car_sharing
How would you like this tag to see supported?
As a Preset
Label
I don't really understand the question? Car sharing, I guess?
Aliases
No response
Terms
No response
Link to OSM Wiki page
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:parking_space
Status of the Tag
Approved
Usage of the tag
133
Replaces other Tag?
No response
Regional Tag?
global
Further Information
Parking spaces reserved exclusively for use with cars that are a part of a car sharing system is becoming increasingly popular. These are very useful for reducing the number of cars in a city, without hindering peoples access to cars when needed.
iD already have a preset for amenity=car_pooling, which is not the same thing, but which is the only similar thing you will find in iD when looking for this. The risk of wrongful tagging is therefor great. I'm pretty sure I've done it myself. parking_space=car_sharing is not even available as a dropdown in a amenity=parking_space tag.
Thanks!