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REQUEST: AgResults Initiative #252

Closed jahnvidave closed 6 years ago

jahnvidave commented 6 years ago

Request

What type of organization do you want identifiers for? Multi-donor initiative

In which countries are the organizations you want identifiers for based?: N/A

Do you have examples of organizations you need identifiers for? AgResults Initiative "AgResults is not registered individually. It is governed by a “Fund Framework” that outlines responsibilities of each donor and entity involved. No donor acts as the lead organization, although all funds are managed by the World Bank as Trustee. Deloitte Consulting manages the Secretariat but the donors do not allow Deloitte to use its name with respect to AgResults."

We are considering proposing an XI-IATI identifier, if there is no suitable alternative.

timgdavies commented 6 years ago

From an organisation identifier point of view - there does not appear to be an organisation to identify here, so unless this is already covered by a DAC type codelist, I'd suggest the XI-IATI route for constructing an IATI identifier for the publisher.

In terms of the organisation identifiers within IATI files, I would anticipate that these should really have World Bank as the organisation holding and disbursing the funds.

jahnvidave commented 6 years ago

Thank you!

andylolz commented 6 years ago

constructing an IATI identifier for the publisher

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In terms of the organisation identifiers within IATI files

I am really confused. @timgdavies are you saying these are two different things?

As I understand it, the iati-identifier element was renamed as organisation-identifier in the upgrade to v2.01 (reference). Have I misunderstood? If so, can you explain the difference between these things?

andylolz commented 6 years ago

Okay, I think I see…

I'd suggest the XI-IATI route for constructing an IATI identifier for the publisher.

Here, I think you’re talking about the organisation identifier used in the context of the reporting-org reference, as well as in the IATI registry metadata. I think “IATI identifier” is used as a shorthand for IATI organisation identifier, which is a reference to the IATI organisation identifier codelist.

In terms of the organisation identifiers within IATI files

Here, I think you’re talking about the organisation identifier used for transactions, e.g. the provider-org reference.

Is that correct?

timgdavies commented 6 years ago

Correct.

The use of organisation identifier to construct (a) reporting org reference and then (b) the activity identifier (composite of reporting org + internal activity ID) causes issues when a single legal entity wants to report different funds it hosts as if they are from different organisations.

Meeting with IATI support team @ DI next week and will discuss this and aim to feedback.

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018, 18:19 Andy Lulham, notifications@github.com wrote:

Okay, I think I see. I think when you say “IATI identifier”, you’re talking about the reporting-org reference http://reference.iatistandard.org/203/activity-standard/iati-activities/iati-activity/reporting-org/#attributes, as well as the organisation identifier used in the IATI registry metadata. I think “IATI identifier” is used as a shorthand for IATI organisation identifier, which is a reference to the IATI organisation identifier codelist http://reference.iatistandard.org/203/codelists/IATIOrganisationIdentifier/ .

When you say “organisation identifier”, you’re talking about the organisation identifier used for transactions, e.g. the provider-org reference http://reference.iatistandard.org/203/activity-standard/iati-activities/iati-activity/transaction/provider-org/#attributes .

Is that correct?

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andylolz commented 6 years ago

Meeting with IATI support team @ DI next week and will discuss this and aim to feedback.

Great – thanks.

andylolz commented 6 years ago

@timgdavies any news? Looks like this advice is about to be followed by IATI, so any feedback you can provide would be great. Specifically on this:

when a single legal entity wants to report different funds it hosts as if they are from different organisations.

^^ Would be good to know what the benefit of this would be from the perspective of the data user. That is: Why is this a useful or desirable thing to do?