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Jalisco state and rural highway shields #411

Open 1ec5 opened 2 years ago

1ec5 commented 2 years ago

Unlike other Mexican states (#404), Jalisco maintains two distinct state route systems. Neither system has been mapped with route relations yet. Presumably, state highways would be tagged network=MX:JAL, while rural highways would be tagged as either network=MX:JAL:rural (following the English-based basic format that is most common globally) or network=MX:JAL:Rural (following the hierarchical format common in the U.S. that incorporates banner text verbatim).

The Jalisco state government has published a sign design guide specifying distinctive shield designs for both networks. However, I don’t know whether signs posted on the ground reflect the sign design guide or the national standard. At least one map publisher marks Jalisco state highways with national-standard shields.


No como los otros estados mexicanos (#404), Jalisco mantiene dos redes distintas de rutas estatales. Todavía ninguna red se ha mapeado como relaciones de ruta. Probablemente las carreteras estatales debe tener la etiqueta network=MX:JAL, y las carreteras rurales tendría o network=MX:JAL:rural (según el formato básico basado en inglés más común globalmente) o network=MX:JAL:Rural (según el formato jerárquico común en los EE.UU. que literalmente incorpora el texto de bandera).

El gobierno estatal de Jalisco ha publicado una señalética que especifica los diseños de escudo distintos de ambos redes. Sin embargo, no sé si los señales físicos siguen la señalética o el estándar nacional. Al menos una editorial de mapas marca las carreteras estatales de Jalisco con los escudos del estándar nacional.

Estatal Rural

1ec5 commented 1 year ago

I mapped a route relation for State Highway 601 and confirmed that the new design has been posted since it was introduced in 2020:

JAL 601

1ec5 commented 4 months ago

An example of pre-2020 signage, for comparison:

JAL 4

1ec5 commented 4 months ago

On the forum, a mapper from Mexico pointed out that Jalisco’s unique shields are closely tied to a political party. I had no idea about this just looking at the official documents and street-level imagery, but it’s worth considering the potential for an inadvertent political statement one way or another.

I figure that reflecting the signs on the ground would normally be unsurprising or at least explainable, but just as with disputed borders, de facto and de jure can both be seen as non-neutral. At the same time, we may want to respect the wishes of the local mapping community for something with such low stakes, just as we were open to omitting the Zia symbol from New Mexico’s shields until receiving explicit permission to use it in https://github.com/ZeLonewolf/openstreetmap-americana/pull/323#issuecomment-2083591746. I’m just unsure whether this perceived partisanship rises to the degree of having to pick a stance to the contrary, despite the facts on the ground.

1ec5 commented 4 months ago

Turns out it was just a coincidence: orange had already appeared on signs years before the political party associated with that color took power. I haven’t seen the earlier señalética but it seems plausible that the 2020 one wasn’t the first to use this style.

claysmalley commented 3 months ago

As of #1097, shields for network=MX:JAL are supported, but assigned the same monochrome icon as all other Mexican states.