avilleret
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8 years ago I agree with the temporary behavior. If a tool can be selected with a key, then it is very convenient to my eyes to release the tool as soon as the action is done (or canceled by triggering escape or deselecting the tool). Some software I'm using have a tools remaining behavior and I found it quite confusing.
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2016-06-02 15:41 GMT+02:00 Pascal Baltazar notifications@github.com:
We discussed a while ago (and actually agreed on it, AFAIR) with @blueyeti https://github.com/blueyeti and others about the question of having non-permanent tools selection My memory (which might be flawed) was that we proposed the following behavior:
- selection/move is the default, and permanent tool
- other tools (create, play....) are only temporarily selected, and are released after the action
To explain my take on it: I have used i-score1.0 for a while, and sometimes for quite long periods of time, and I consistently get confused by tools remaining. It is very very often that I would create an event/constraint unintentionally after creating one intentionally - actually, that happens almost all the time, and makes me half-mad :-) This also happens after using the play tool (but I use it more seldom).
Maybe this is made worse by the fact that the cursor shape doesn't change when changing tools (which is another feature request that has been expressed, but didn't seem obvious...), but IMHO, changing the shape only wouldn't solve the problem either.
Do others have this kind of problem, or is it just me being not able to get into the habit of the way i-score works... ???
@lossius https://github.com/lossius @reno- https://github.com/reno- @avilleret https://github.com/avilleret @jln- https://github.com/jln- @theod https://github.com/theod @jcelerier https://github.com/jcelerier ?
-> if we still agree on this proposed behavior, we would still need to decide if tools are released (i.e. reverted to the select/move tool)
- on mouse up (i.e. once the action has been done)
- or on key up (i.e. the user needs to keep the key pressed in order to do the action) I can see pros and cons for both:
- mouse up is the way Omnigraffle works when the tool has been selected on the UI (i.e. through a mouse-action on the screen) , it's quite nice once used to it, but maybe not the most usual/"natural"/intuitive way (in other words, that's probably not the common way most softwares behave for similar operations...???)
- key up seems much more common, hence intuitive for newcomers, but it requires the user to keep his non-prefered hand on the keyboard - which is probably OK... (is it, fellow-users ?)
We could also think about a way to “lock“ tools selection Again, in Omnigraffle, this is doable by double-clicking on the tool icon (I don't know any way of doing this with the keyboard...) Maybe that would be a good way to do it ? Does anyone of you know of a similar behavior in other softwares ? I've also thought of using the CAPS LOCK key: when on, the tools would be selected permanently... does that sound like a reasonable idea ?
Maybe some also have better suggestions ? But I feel the current user-interaction on this is more than suboptimal, and should probably fixed before we release the beta version. What do you all think and feel ?
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We discussed a while ago (and actually agreed on it, AFAIR) with @blueyeti and others about the question of having non-permanent tools selection My memory (which might be flawed) was that we proposed the following behavior:
To explain my take on it: I have used i-score1.0 for a while now, and sometimes for quite long periods of time, and I consistently get confused by tools remaining selected. It is very very often that I would create an event/constraint unintentionally after creating one intentionally - actually, that happens almost all the time, and makes me half-mad :-) (maybe that's because I'm already half mad, and there is not so much i-score-induced gradient to it ;-) ) This also happens after using the play tool (but I use it more seldom, so...).
Maybe this is made worse by the fact that the cursor shape doesn't change when changing tools (which is another feature request that has been expressed, but didn't seem obvious...), but IMHO, changing the shape only wouldn't solve the problem either. I can make an issue for that, though, if you think it's worth...
Do others have this kind of problem, or is it just me being not able to get into the habit of using i-score the way it actually works... ???
@lossius @reno- @avilleret @jln- @theod @jcelerier ?
-> if we agree on this proposed behavior, we would still need to decide if tools are released (i.e. reverted to the select/move tool)
We could also think about a way to “lock“ tools selection Again, in Omnigraffle, this is doable by double-clicking on the tool icon (I don't know any way of doing this with the keyboard...) Maybe that would be a good way to do it ? Does anyone of you know of a similar behavior in other softwares ? I've also thought of (maybe in complementarity) using the CAPS LOCK key: when on, the tools would be selected permanently... does that sound like a reasonable idea ?
Maybe some also have better suggestions ? But I feel the current user-interaction on this is more than suboptimal, and should probably fixed before we release the beta version. What do you all think and feel ?