Add more LV machines / create more uses for LV

[Klaranth]

Discussion between SX, Gorlock, Shadow, ThinkSome:

Caveat: Keep new nodes / machines to bare minimum while writing this new mod.

Generic definitions for real world LV, MV and HV. LV approx. 500V, MV approx. 10kV, HV around 50kV, EHV approx. 500kV and UHV 1MV+.

Idea: Make more use of LV power source and not just as a stepping stone for MV/HV.

For use with LV power : Make pipeworks work + autocrafters (possible separate mod) Biofuel refineries Food recipes Introduce upgrade slot in LV nodes

Use Alloy machines to craft cables. Introduce new nodes for LV use.

Copper smelts in MV/HV only. Lead, Tin, Zinc restricted to LV. Brass, Silver, Gold restricted to MV.

Introduce HV arc furnaces (see #12). Introduce molybdenum ore (see #19) and uses for it.

Charcoal MV Plastics LV Glue : ?

[Klaranth]

The best way IMO to get people to use more LV is to introduce a two tier LV system: Current items are in tier 1 and are used as stepping stone to MV/HV equipment. Certain recipes and crafting/alloying in HV are used to make tier 2 nodes for LV so players will return to LV for tier 2. And you NEED to get to HV to make it to tier two on LV. (And yes, this leaves the option open for tier two on MV and HV)

[Klaranth]

Can we go a tier below LV? Make a campfire with sticks, planks, paper and use flint and stone to be able to cook food, boil water, etc?

[S-S-X]

SX: Something like that is needed yes, basic idea is just somehow undo mistakes that were done with LV - MV machine upgrades very long time ago making LV networks way less useful for anything that is not just direct vertical upgrade route. SX: Only reason why LV is currently useful is few external machines that are not included in technic core, so I'm also thinking about technic as a standalone mod or mixed with other mods possibly not including CNC for example. Klaranth: The whole discussion is , in condensed form, on github. Would like to see that actually come to fruition. :) Klaranth: hv arc furnace was an idea from a long time ago. See issue 12. Ruggila has more info on that. That wuld work REAL nice, and requires LV power. Klaranth: We could also go one step below LV, and use a campfire for boiling water, prepping food, etc. SX: Minetest forge is not exactly arc furnace, it uses heating element. More info why HV arc furnace, what it is and why it would be a thing can be found from https://github.com/pandorabox-io/pandorabox.io/issues/608 SX: A lot of comments... arc furnace related stuff probably begins here: https://github.com/pandorabox-io/pandorabox.io/issues/608#issuecomment-771977528

[S-S-X]

Source for orginal idea about LV use cases that would be restricted only to LV tier: https://github.com/mt-mods/technic/pull/198

[S-S-X]

Related discussion about things that could require power:

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[Klaranth]

birdlover32767 technic has an api, so why don't we add some new stuff, like new upgrades, a "super battery" or smth, but that would either require rewriting every machine's code or rewriting some upgrade code and adding something to the definitions Or maybe you could add a new tier above HV

Huhhila Have a look at https://github.com/pandorabox-io/in-game/issues?q=is%3Aissue+battery ... and what do you mean ... would be above hv... some kind tech which requires fusion plasma just for starting up? (yes some fusion variants have already been suggested on ideas too)

birdlover32767 yeah, perhaps a tier above HV could use some different mechanics

Hedgehog An idea like that does need some more specifics. Come up with what you think should be the next tier. :)

birdlover32767 yeah too, it really needs some brainstorming first

[Klaranth]

Hedgehog So what would the tier above HV be called ? SV as in Super V? Making it possible for one higher than that to be Ultra V? Not too happy with EHV and UHV

Alliecakes extreme voltage

SX What would be use cases for extreme voltage? I could see it being used for very long transmission lines if there would be a drop based on distance and voltage. But could not really see that many other uses.

birdlover32767 like a tier above HV

Alliecakes game is balanced as is around forcing ppl to need both mv and hv

birdlover32767 honestly why dont some machines have HV versions

Maverick2797 to avoid obseleting the lower power tiers, otherwise it would be a race to HV, then stagnation (as you've found)

birdlover32767 maybe it could have new machines

Alliecakes i mean only rational thing i can see ev being used for is extremely heavy dute quantum entanglement very long distance travel think edge of server to fairly high up on these large jumpdrives that dont exist yet. best thing about this server is stuff to do and jumpdrive. maybe u could have some fpga self contained crafters

birdlover32767 how about a fusion reactor

birdlover32767 maybe it could be powered by chernobylite

Maverick2797 obtaining chernobylite in decent quantities requries a very customised setup that exploits certain protections against other exploits (in my experience anyway)

SX Well, chernobylite is basically free and generators are really simple after initial cost of corium. It also already have uses that makes it fairly well balanced atm. Like fully automated free fuel rod factory that also produces other useful byproducts. Using it as fuel as is would pretty much break balancing very bad unless it would have other strict restrictions like requiring manual maintenance and possibly comparatively large in world area.

[Klaranth]

SX Molybdenum was one I did think of, processing requires very high temperatures (possibly even new machine). There was few simple use cases too but not really enough to add new ore. 41xx steel grades / CrMo steel basically. But even more interesting would be to revive LV tier by adding more machines that could be only used with LV. There's been few other suggestions for new ores but without direct and simple enough use cases, so far every other suggestion I know of would require a lot of work instead of simple recipe upgrades or similar. And things that require a lot of work will only happen if someone is wiling to put a lot of time in it. New LV machine, even fairly simple, used for high tech stuff would be something. Just add crafting requirement to go through MV and HV before being able to craft that LV machine. There it could work if molybdenum would be required (HV alloying) to make steel that is required to build new LV machine that can do ... no idea.. something.

iceyou If it's lv, then it should be a somewhat delicate task (I mean the sieve would fit but I dunno) could for example make desert sand have a tiny chance to drop a gold lump and gravel could obviously drop flint Maybe could sieve regular sand for silicon

Hedgehog There is a mod with a sieve . It can even be automated.

et techpack sieves are cancer

iceyou (I mean not really, but they are stupidly overpowered)

[Klaranth]

The4spaceconstants quartz dust for silicon*

[Klaranth]

Marsufoman Is there a specific reason to why some machines are only MV max? Like centrifuge

SX Yes. To no envourage only linear upgrades eventually replacing all the technic stuff with HV only. To keep MV relevant. LV already has this problem but there's been some ideas how to make LV relevant again other than just temporary upgrade path.

Marsufoman I mean like the only LV machines that arent available in HV or HV are the music player and LV lamp Both are pretty useless, except for the fact that dummy light nodes can be harvested using LV lamps

SX I created CNC Mk2 as an CNC upgrade to have at least one machine that actually provides some additional functionality for LV only.

Marsufoman also the CNC machines and geo Well adding more machines would be interesting

SX I think CNC Mk2 is currently only LV machine that can be used for fully automated LV production, only LV thing that can be upgraded, connected with pipeworks and does not have MV or HV upgrade.

Marsufoman How much energy does Geothermal currently produce? Is this information available on the website

SX Don't remember for sure but I think someone added these to https://pandorabox.io/ wiki. I think in world technic tutorial might have this info.

Marsufoman Geothermal is certainly an interesting choice, since lava would be needed. Forcing people to either, mine on asteroids and finding lava caves

[Klaranth]

Hedgehog Regarding more LV machines : Minetest-forge would be a nice addition. #12

366 talks about an LV greenhouse that slowly produces non-seed produce from a seed.

153 talks about better wind power for LV.