Klaranth
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2 years ago Hedgehog: To Do :
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Translate it all to doability in Minetest environment.
- Are you overthinking things?
- Can it be made simpler?
- Can it be done by taking e.g. a spacesuit and upgrade that?
- Can it be created by putting an existing hazmat suit in the center of a recipe and put several other armors around it?
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Make a list of all the new nodes/machines needed to create items needed for crafting.
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Create crafting recipes. Not just the steps written above, but the full crafting recipes.
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Write the software
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Build the mod
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Test the mod
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Implement the mod ( Either in Pandorabox alone, or send it out to be used by anyone)
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baijin a super-hazmat suit that uses chalcogenide deca-hydride, which is a compression level of super-hydrides, superconductor materials to reduce radiation penetration
Huhhila Thought current hazmat suit already protects from being right next to at least 5 corium sources? Feel brave enough for testing what the limit is, if any? (does not provide thermal protection though)
baijin I believe real life hazmat suits using hydrogens bonded to hydrocarbons to slow neutrons are not super effective, and i was referring to capabilities of real life stuff, since ive never seen how good an in game hazmat suit is. I assumed, since people said before they still are worried about it with a suit, and that they still take damage, that it was less effective.
Hedgehog What items/nodes will be needed to craft such a super hazmat suit? There are other mods that can bring in new ores and metals into the game. Do some research please to see if those can work, and come up with a solution to actually craft the super hazmat suit.
baijin Well since the superhydrides are new and difficult to get working ... They use strong ceramic materials that can handle high temperatures and are stronger than metals, and stabilizing atoms which keep the hydrogen lattice from jiggling apart so electrons can flow through the channels according to BCS theory. But, it doesn't necessarily have to be a superconductor, meaning that metallic hydrogen or compressed forms that are not so special could be used as well.
Hedgehog Come up with a working/ workable solution of craft recipe and post it in here. :)
Huhhila Likely to get rejected from game balancing point of view unless it has further downsides too...
baijin Can it generate energy as well, otherwise it doesn't have to be a supcon, but if it is a supcon, you can capture beta emission and use its kinetic energy to increase voltage and amperage.
Hedgehog Doesnt and shouldnt be just 1 recipe to make it, if it is really special it should be difficult to craft, using lots of alloying, and perhaps using a freezer to cool down items needed, etc. Make use of a LOT of tech stuff to get the next level hazmat suit. And include a flaw into it. Like perhaps you need 99 air bottles in it every 15 minutes.
baijin Steel and share nicos world's prevention mechanism for block-removal & rollback lagging and wall-phasing/
SX Current hazmat suit intended downsides can already be countered too easily, I think huge speed reduction would work. One possible thing could be to disable some effects like fly and other boosts.
baijin Yeah, a solid compression of uranium, lanthanum, hydrogen in a crystal lattice would definitely be hard, we could even estimate its density according to the crystal spacing, using alternative heavy elements that don't easily capture radiation and transmute into radionucleotides. The super-hazmat suit will need its fluid-containing membrane to be charged periodically, which contain stable particles that decay into charged pions and then into muons when bombarded with a corium or other radiation source. If the muon-providing material in the membrane fluid is depleted, then the suit will start to rapidly destroy itself due to the loss of muons which stabilize the dense superhydride meta-ceramic lattice.
One of the stabilizing materials in the superhydride crystal lattice will be Hassium, where its unique property of being a heavy element indicated by its density, allows electron orbitals to be stable only if they move at relatavistic speeds, which improves the lifetime of muon decay in order to maintain a stable lattice for longer. We will ignore the details of replacing hassium's electrons with Muons, which are far heavier and significantly reduce the covalant radius and increase the density. Other heavy elements can be used in the membrane refueling with significantly reduced effective time spendable in radiative environments, however still longer than the normal lithium doped UHMWPE plastic suit
Hedgehog Does parts of it precrafting need to be run through the uranium upgrading facilities as well ?
baijin To chemically isolate the relevant chemical properties of hassium in the extractor, then isolating the stable isotope of hassium which is used for the suit, sure. This will be complicated, so it has to have some big benefits as well
Hedgehog Okay, now with all the info provided, can you write out the crafting recipes? Which node made goes where in the crafting area of inventory ? You have up to 9 slots to place something to craft.
baijin Well, is there the possibility to make an x-ray ablation machine to craft the metamaterial from diamonds, or from other carbon sources?
Hedgehog In NSSM there is a mese dragon egg that takes a LOT of crafting. Talking about killing tons of lower level mobsters, basically all mobsters from NSSM needs to be killed at least a dozen times, then a dozen times each of the bosses to get the items, that needs to be crafted into parts, before you can even try to get to the crafting of the egg. Something THAT complicated should be also for your idea.
And if we dont have an Xray machine, how do we craft one? Probably needs HV cable/power ? Maybe there is a mod that has the Xray machine already
baijin Yes, what is the estimate for the voltage of the HV system in the game? I guess HV will work, since using that to get a few hundred kilovolts to ablate nano-carbon structures is pretty easy I'll look up what frequency it needs to be to roughly mill out the nanopores It should be somewhere in the ballpark of 300 Million Gigahertz, or around 1 nm, or around 1,240 electronVolts photon energy So that puts it in the Gamma range, at 30x10^24 Hertz or oscillations per second
Hedgehog Looked it up, lv transformer can transform a max of 120 volts down to 32. The mv transformer can transform higher volts down to 120 volts which is used for that lv transformer. And the HV transformer can transform an even higher voltage down to the one that the MV transformer can take. Source : https://technicpack.fandom.com/wiki/LV_Transformer
Maybe you need to make a modpack that introduces a higher voltage for the hazmat suit : UHV . Ultra HV.
baijin We might need a special machine just to tolerate the generation of gamma photons... We could use Extreme X-ray Heterodyning to photon-double and orthogonalize the signal to produce localized 1nm Gamma peaks. Either of these options will need some research
The suit's meta-crystal muon percentage range will have to be kept between two active concentrations in order to prevent collapse fractures and spontaneous re-radiative transmutation as well as spongiform dislocations, failure of protection, and combustion of the suit material.
The need for Gamma photons was incorrect. the calculator used did not display the frequency-wavelength relationship correctly. 1nm is covered in the X-Ray range. No special emitters or photon doublers will be needed Knowing that normal X-Ray emitters will work down to 10 Picometers, and that the feature size of the meta-material milling is around 100 picometers give or take, we can move a little further The new X-Ray Photon Energy measured in electron Volts is now around 12,400 eV to get 100 Picometer wavelength light
The X-Ray nano-milling machine will need to be pumped to a vacuum using the vacuum:airpump mod and the X-Ray milling machine will need to operate as a dynamic heterodyne emitter in order to release atoms from the material and evacuate them from the 3D nano-structure. We can integrate several convergent muon beams to allow the freed atoms to work their way out of the nano-material more easily. Milimeter-length Proton LINACS can be used to create neutrino beams to prevent unwanted regions from absorbing muons and destabilizing the meta-material.
The stuff about the X-Ray nano-milling heterodyne was just to put a hypothetical backstory to the science that might be plausible, and how to make the model look in the game
The vacuum milling machine and atomic extractor system is finished, that can turn diamonds or some other carbon source into a 3-Dimensional pre-stressed graphyne meta-material that can tolerate the expansive forces of the muon-stabilized compressed superhydride crystal
The fancy x-ray machine turns diamonds into macroscopic graphyne balls. They can be modeled and look like a pile of semi-transparent or black berries.
The graphyne is much more flexible and stronger than graphene, so it can flex to accomodate the insertion of the muon stabilized 3-part upgraded Alloy Furnace. Milling it out of diamond might be better, because powdered and amorphous materials are so hard to stick together when they are clumped randomly. As we have a graphyne material manufacturer, we could just make armor and tools out of that that's way better than needing to create diamonds.
It can take time, and the muon emitting source containing fluid, and the hydrogen for the proton neutrino LINACs, and the diamonds, it is faaaaar from being as good as graphyne, or diamond. It is like the plastic of the carbon world; not even Polycarbonate, its about as good as Acrylic in comparison.
If you take modern carbon fiber, which is made from baked polymerized acrylo-nitrile in an industrial kiln, and you multiply its strength by about 10 or more, you get the optimal strength of carbon nanotubes. Then, if you take those carbon nanotubes and you flatten them into a sheet to make graphene, it becomes several times stronger and tolerant to stretching and deformities and chemical inclusions. If you take that graphene and replace the bonds between the benzene rings with acetylene bonds, which are triple bonds, it becomes about 40x stronger and waaay more stretchable and flexible. And that final product of carbon, which is stronger than graphene, which is stronger than nanotubes, which is stronger than the best ACN carbon fiber composite strands, thats the material i want to use. The hydrogen, a variant of the air bottles, is used both in the proton neutrino linac beams for muon segregation, as well as the main material used in making the muon superhydride crystal
The ore which provides hassium that needs to be extracted and centrifuged and then extracted again, can have a second ore component which is used as the muon source when bombarded with the 3-part crafter's multi-purpose beam, or when in contact with a radioactive source.
SX I think if you go that deep you cannot really compare stuff by strength as it quickly becomes ambiguous, for example I mean what property is 40x stronger?
baijin That is I think the tensile strength, and it also gains a huge amount of stretchability. I am plotting this all out on Minder now, i can send you all the file when im done or answer questions. The visor is going to be almost as unique as the body shielding material, and ive laid out what the tools, armor, and upgrade could function like. The suit is going to be different from the chalcogenide inserts and it may only take 1 ore type, or 0 if you integrate it into the uranium process.
Anyway, about 800x stronger than diamond is still just that, unfathomable, assuming carbon nanotubes are roughly 2x stronger than average diamond, or better, and graphene is 10x or so stronger than nanotubes, and graphyne 40x tougher than graphene. Think of it like a sewn together collection of super-advanced beads... and it can also serve as a space suit, as well as armor, and not have a visor transparency penalty. Okay, maybe not armor per say, but it can be better than the current suits
SX We can also just update recipe for current space suit
baijin I am already planning out optional dependencies
SX That way we do not have to come up with balancing problems, large problem with simply providing better item is that only top tier items are used no matter what. That is always problem when resources are extremely easy to get and in infinite amounts. There's just few things that are not too easy to get or cannot be easily automated in large scale.
baijin Well maybe not on a server with auto diggers, but i can say that the extraction for each of the two materials is exceptionally small, then centrifuging will take a long time because it will need to be higher percentage than 3.7% like uranium
SX Those are either animal eggs, xenomorph eggs being probably hardest to get currently. Or items that are not craftable but are available through special mechanisms like dungeons or traders.
baijin What metals do we have that can be alloyed into aerospace materials? Titanium mod would be good, and theres also no aluminum. How about a chromium and mithril alloy?
The helmet is made in, I think, 5 steps
Regarding adding a new cable level, seems its already a bit blurry what the existing ones are for. Like lv is used by new players for a hot second to get to mv, nothing more (as mv can work with pipeworks, upgrade slots, etc). mv is a good resting ground for a while, and then if you want really fast times, upgrade to hv equipment.
Wsor so what would the advantage to a new cable level be without nuking the existing already blurry structure
baijin 6 step way to make the helmet:
step 1: Craft mithril and chromium alloys in an alloy furnace to get [improvised aerospace alloy]. step 2: Place 3 blocks of the alloy along the bottom row of the normal craft grid and 6 blocks or slabs of ultra-plastic in the other slots step 3: With the helmet seal and plastic shell cover made, take 3 blocks or panes of obsidian glass and 3 blocks or slabs of ultra plastic and craft them into an [uncooked primary visor] step 4: Craft the radiation visor the same way as the primary visor, but it is only 2 layers of material using 2/3 the items, and the rest of the craft grid slots are filled with crafted superhydride graphyne ball sacks step 5: Craft the helmet's shell out of a large quantity of graphyne crystal sacks via the multi-purpose vacuum beam machine, this time only using up hydrogen bottles for sintering step 6: Put the shell, the neck plate and plastic shell, and the two visors together normally to finish the helmet. the visor does not have any tinting until you are around a radiation source and the radiation visor drops down, but it protects fully all the time
The helmet has a significant armor value for sure, but it is up to you to determine what that is on your server, since ill have my own versions. And the suit should hold air.
Right now, the main important part is the advanced vacuum multi-beam machine that crafts the fancy items, having either a 3 part alloying/processing input or a crafting grid for the unique recipes. Then the 6step process mentioned above. Then on how to craft the visor with 3 layers and only 9 slots, maybe one laminated layer at a time and crafting the radiation visor, which is two laminations and the radblocking stuff. If the mithril chromium idea is too expensive for the bearing joints in the suit, it can be a different recipe with a strong backbone and a corrosion inhibitor.