New armors

[6r1d]

Today we discussed balance changes regarding air in #main chat.

Proposals:

• Hazmat with air
• Spacesuit with weak hazmat properties in addition to a normal one, since radiation protection is not a default thing for a spacesuit
• Scuba for underwater, since a normal spacesuit underwater is not realistic

[S-S-X]

Very closely related #434 / Better armors

[kiedtl]

suggestion: make it possible to wear armor with spacesuit. e.g. add new craft item which is spacesuit items combined into one (like hazmat), and then wear it in place of a helmet with armor.

[OgelGames]

• Spacesuit with weak hazmat properties

That would be good considering there is radioactive gas in space now.

make it possible to wear armor with spacesuit. e.g. add new craft item which is spacesuit items combined into one (like hazmat)

Or maybe an armored spacesuit?

[thomasrudin]

• Spacesuit with weak hazmat properties

Weak will work, but it can't be too much, space mining is a dangerous thing :smile:

• Hazmat with air

Same as above, it should not be able to compete with a spacesuit

• Scuba for underwater, since a normal spacesuit underwater is not realistic

Yes, thats not realistic. But to distinguish between vacuum- and water-drowning there are a few more checks needed. And the scuba-gear can't be used in space too...

Side-note: maybe its time to merge the spacesuit and vacuum mods together, some functionalities have "weird" dependencies on each other..

[SwissalpS]

lol, now we have more realistic vacuum damage and ppl want to have better spacesuit making the recent update and radioactive gas pointless again :)

[SwissalpS]

https://xkcd.com/1739/

[S-S-X]

lol, now we have more realistic vacuum damage and ppl want to have better spacesuit making the recent update and radioactive gas pointless again :)

It is not exactly like that really, adding spacesuit with weak shielding against radiation still wont allow you to walk in space without space suit or with some other armor.

I think it would be fine to have space suit that could mitigate some small amount of radiation damage but I also agree with point that space should be more dangerous than earth so should not turn space suit into another hazmat suit.

My opinion is that extra armors are not really needed but some shielding against radiation could be okay.

If this will be implemented should it be upgrade recipe for space suit? For example maybe add composite plates around each space suit component to get suit with some radiation shielding.

edit. as personal opinion I'll be fine without any radiation shield for space suit.

maybe its time to merge the spacesuit and vacuum mods together

Sounds like good idea but should it be soft merge like modpack where space suit is optional or hard merge where it is always assumed that both are available and both components belongs to same mod.

[BobFred7]

Sounds like good idea but should it be soft merge like modpack where space suit is optional or hard merge where it is always assumed that both are available and both components belongs to same mod.

Spacesuit can still be optional with a hard merge if we make the register_tool, register_craft, and other stuff be conditional based on something in configuration

[thomasrudin]

Sounds like good idea but should it be soft merge like modpack where space suit is optional or hard merge where it is always assumed that both are available and both components belongs to same mod.

I'd like to merge the two mods into one, maybe in a modpack structure. The spacesuit will have an opt_depends on 3d_armor