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The big WHY #140

Open MacDada opened 1 year ago

MacDada commented 1 year ago

It is mentioned in the docs, but for me – a simple developer who wants to solve a problem – it is not emphased enough…

Why would anybody want to use Phive? Learn yet another tool, figure out how to configure it, maintain?

I can now remember what was the issue that Phive solved for me a few years ago:

  1. I was using Composer to require-dev the tools like PHPUnit, PHPMD, etc.
  2. I started to have conflicts between my "real" project dependencies and the dependencies required by the tools.
  3. Phive separates "my" dependencies from the dependencies of the tools.

So: this is BIG for me. Phive solves a real–world problem ;-) It should be clearly advertised as the replacement for Composer when it comes to tools.

All the "verification" stuff, GPG, etc. – it is a "clutter" to me – I didn't find Phive for that. It is actually a burden – stuff that I have to (while don't wanna xd) learn, understand -> to make Phive finally solve my "real problem". All that GPG, keys, etc. – I know it is important be working, but kinda should stay behind, as the internal stuff, not the feature itself. Automated as much as possible. Just my humble opinion.

So yeah, I'm not a marketing guy or anything, but "Phive is a Composer for tools", "Use Phive instead of Composer to download your tools", "Have conflicts between your app dependencies and developer tools dependencies? Use Phive!" – should be a clear and visible message :D

theseer commented 1 year ago

We can probably rephrase that and make it more obvious to the likes of what you wrote, but the intro Text actually has all of that:

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:-)

I'll keep that also in mind :)

MacDada commented 1 year ago

the intro Text actually has all of that

Yeah, as I said: "It is mentioned in the docs", BUT…

I'm kinda talking about headlines, slogans, marketing ;)

The first big thing I see on the website is:

The PHAR Installation and Verification Environment (PHIVE) Installation and verification of phar distributed PHP applications has never been this easy!

PHIVE – the manager for your project's PHP tools! Stop downloading tools with Composer – use Phive instead!

dereuromark commented 11 months ago

Well, https://github.com/phar-io/phive/issues/417 kind of related to this. It seems that once you actually need a bit more than just the default tool you might run into a wall Maybe I didnt find this in the docs, but it would be nice to know that you can configure it somehow to include those extra things as well without having to drop phive install/setup right away.