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Minor edit to T81 and S123 #653

Closed Jianing-Song closed 1 month ago

Jianing-Song commented 1 month ago

For S123: I changed "$i$th prime" to "$(i+1)$th prime" since natural number starts with $0$, and $2$ is generally seen as the first prime. Please correct me if this edit is unnecesary/unreasonable.

For T81, I added a proof for the assertion. But still I have the following questions:

  1. In {{mathse:3143628}}, I gave the question ID here. Should I give the answer ID (3144337) instead?
  2. The proof uses the fact that regular + Lindelof => normal. Should this result be mentioned in T81, so we say something like "See {{mathse:3143628}} for a proof, which uses {T30}"?
  3. I very much hope to mention S90 in T81, because it shows that we cannot have better results than uncountability. Could we add a sentence like "Note that we cannot do better, as {S90} is a {P36} (connected) {P5} ($T_3$) space satisfying {P114} (cardinality $=\aleph_1$), the smallest uncountable cardinal number"?
StevenClontz commented 1 month ago

In {{mathse:3143628}}, I gave the question ID here. Should I give the answer ID (3144337) instead?

Using the answer ID is better I think.

The proof uses the fact that regular + Lindelof => normal. Should this result be mentioned in T81, so we say something like "See {{mathse:3143628}} for a proof, which uses {T30}"?

I wouldn't - we sometimes tweak theorems to strengthen them (maybe we shouldn't). But this would cause {T30} to possibly change later. So I'd leave this be for now.

I very much hope to mention S90 in T81...

Sure, I suggested one way to do this above.

prabau commented 1 month ago

T81: in the refs: section, can we put the mathse reference before the doi reference, as the doi one is less important here?

prabau commented 1 month ago

Actually, looking at Henno Brandsma's proof of T81 using the Lindelof property, I am wondering if T81 is even needed. It seems it could possibly be deduced from other results already, since pi-base shows that the combination

connected + T3 + multiple points + $|X|<\mathfrak c$ + Lindelof

is impossible: π-Base, Search for connected+T3+multiple points+Cardinality $\lt\mathfrak c$+Lindelof and the justification does not seem to use T81. (And note that one of the ingredients here is T309, which is the same kind of arguments used in Henno's proof.)

What do you think? Should we try to remove it and see what happens?

Jianing-Song commented 1 month ago

Indeed, Countable ∧ Connected ∧ $T_3$ ∧ Has multiple points is impossible by the remaining theorems after I deleted T81.

For record, the content of T81 was as follows:

---
uid: T000081
if:
  and:
  - P000036: true
  - P000005: true
  - P000125: true
then:
  P000057: false
refs:
- mathse: 3144337
  name: Showing every connected regular space having more than one point is uncountable without using proof by contradiction
- doi: 10.1007/978-1-4612-6290-9
  name: Counterexamples in Topology
---

See {{mathse:3144337}} for a proof.

Asserted on page 223 of {{doi:10.1007/978-1-4612-6290-9}}.

(Note that one cannot conclude a stronger cardinality result, as {S90} is an example of a {P36} {P5} space satisfying {P114}.)