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review 'symptom-recording', 'sign-recording' #4

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GoogleCodeExporter commented 8 years ago
Not sure what this means. 
A patient history consists of a list of symptoms
A physical exam elicits a list of signs.

A patient record will contain, among other things, patient history and physical 
exam findings.

Original issue reported on code.google.com by sivaram....@gmail.com on 27 Aug 2010 at 8:26

GoogleCodeExporter commented 8 years ago
See the first email in this thread, where the motivation for this was first 
mentioned:

http://groups.google.com/group/cpr-ontology/browse_thread/thread/a62e527b18819d2
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"[...] It is generally a bad idea to mix the ontology-epistemology divide.  The 
former is about collections 
of things in reality and the latter is a study of how cognitive  subjects come 
to know the truth about phenomena in reality.  Some bodily features, can exist 
before they are perceived by a patient (who 
then hypothesizes they indicate a disease) but they aren't considered symptoms 
at that time.  So, there is nothing about a cough (for example) that makes it a 
symptom besides the way it is reported; this 
is an epistemic distinction alone.  This is mostly the case with signs as well 
although what makes things a sign is a little more objective  or empirical.  
Still the distinction between signs and other bodily features is mostly 
epistemic [...] So, now CPR only has symptom-recording and sign-recording.  A 
new processual entity called self-examination has been added that is an  
agentive action performed by a patient on his or herself to determine the 
existence of a medical problem.  a symptom-recording is then a  primitive 
clinical-artifact that is the output of a medical-history-screening-act or 
self-examination and is the presentation of a bodily 
feature.  So, here the logical distinction between a symptom and other bodily 
features is that they are cpr:representedBy a symptom-recording rather than 
some yet to be determined ontologic distinction.  As a 
result, a symptom-recording is no longer a clinical-finding since it could be 
the output of a self-examination and thus not composed by a clinician. "

The concept or a sign / symptom is problematic for several reasons: 1) the 
distinction is epistemic (and not in the realm of ontology), 2) there is rarely 
consensus when you try to elicit definitions from clinicians, 3) they are 
typically used as primitives (i.e., things are often designated explicitly as 
signs or symptoms in a record and not classified or deduced as such and so an 
axiomatic definition of them seems only to serve a philosophical and not an 
informatics purpose ).  If this is not the case, it would be useful to have 
examples of realistic clinical questions whose answers depend on a definition 
of what a symptom or sign *is*.

So, in this framework, you would say that a patient history (a recording of 
anamnesis) is composed of symptom-recordings (or representational artifacts 
that 'represent' symptoms).

Original comment by chime...@gmail.com on 3 Sep 2010 at 1:59

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Original comment by chime...@gmail.com on 21 Nov 2011 at 12:30