David-Beetle commented 5 years ago

Description: Add Voat Subverse for discussion. Why: Voat is a free software privacy respecting Reddit alternative. It is important for privacy communities to support private alternatives.

Mikaela commented 5 years ago

Does it federate? There is also https://tildes.net/ with no plans for federation and is currently invite-only.

David-Beetle commented 5 years ago

@Mikaela I wouldn't be the one to ask, if you have any questions I would recommend posting in /v/help. If you find anything, please reply as I would be interested to know. Sorry if this wasn't the response you were looking for.

I would also like to note that next-to-zero decentralized social networks are easy to use. Even less have users, and even less are popular. Voat, is very easy to use and open-source.

Voat is a fairly popular site: https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/voat.co/

beerisgood commented 5 years ago

Why not use instead Mastodon?

Mikaela commented 5 years ago

I think they are wery different, Mastodon is a federated Twitter/TweetDeck, while Voat is a OSS Reddit clone.

danarel commented 5 years ago

Voat is social media for neo-nazis and pizzagate conspiracy theorists.

ghost commented 5 years ago

All of these social networks are like that. Regardless of being decentralized/federated/centralized. If free speech is allowed, "hate" speech will be present.

ghost commented 5 years ago

CloudFlare site - must reject

Voat is jailed in the privacy-hostile walled-garden of CloudFlare. This makes Voat unsuitable for privacy proponents. In fact, this project should fundamentally reject any product or service that has ties to CloudFlare.

What is CloudFlare (for the uninitiated)

CloudFlare is a vigilante extremist organization who takes the decentralized web and centralizes it under one corporate power that controls the worlds largest walled-garden. A very large portion of the web (10%+) that was once freely open to all is now controlled and monitored by one central authority who decides for everyone who can see what web content. This does serious damage to net neutrality, privacy, and has immediate serious consequences:

Cloudflare has a policy to block all Tor users by default. It's a crude, reckless and unsophisticated (but cheap) way to create the illusion of security. Collateral damage is high. Privacy takes a global hit because Cloudflare has decided what best suits their business to the detriment of everyone else. The damage to anonymity helps spy orgs conduct illegal surveillance. The consequential access inequality constitutes a network neutrality abuse. Access equality is central to net neutrality.
CloudFlare is a man-in-the-middle who sees all traffic including tunneled HTTPS traffic (and thus passwords!).
No transparency: as Cloudflare performs a DoS attack on Tor users they obviously do not inform web owners. Web owners are usually unaware that legitimate patrons are being blocked from accessing their site. These businesses are all damaged so that one business can profit.
Cloudflare shields criminal webmasters by hiding their IP address from the public. A website involved with crime often has other criminal websites on the same IP, but users who try to protect themselves cannot block the IP address of the malicious site.
Cloudflare makes heavy use of CAPTCHAs. CAPTCHAs put humans to work for machines when it is machines who should be working for humans. The CAPTCHAs are often broken as well.
Tor users are driven off of Tor because CloudFlare creates such a hostile environment for them that it becomes impractical to deal with all the CAPTCHAs.
Cloudflare is potentially injecting javascript spyware into the traffic of their patrons to collect data (this is how cloudflare pays their bills). See for more details.
Google has a hand in the CAPTCHAs and as a consequence can track which of their logged-in users are visiting the page presenting the CAPTCHA.
Deceives users into believing their connection is secure (HTTPS & browser padlock) when in fact the user is MitMd.

danarel commented 5 years ago

@libBletchley you may want to check the DNS on PrivacyTools.io then.

ghost commented 5 years ago

@danarel Oh shit that's really despicable. I couldn't tell from the dig output but there is indeed a cf-ray in the headers.

If they need performance they could be using netlify. CF is a disgusting choice for this project.

ghost commented 5 years ago

@BurungHantu1605 used it for HTTPS but GH pages now support HTTPS without CF.

danarel commented 5 years ago

It does support HTTPS now but only on the main domain. So you can’t do HTTPS with www and without. It’s one or the other.

ghost commented 5 years ago

Is there an onion service? That wouldn't require HTTPS.

For the surface web combining GH with Netlify will give HTTPS but I'm not sure if that solves your issue.

shortenjukebox commented 5 years ago

Does it federate? There is also https://tildes.net/ with no plans for federation and is currently invite-only.

Tildes is open source, though the project’s focus is just not on federation.

atomGit commented 5 years ago

Voat is social media for neo-nazis and pizzagate conspiracy theorists.

not entirely true, though it seems to be devolving even more as of late - as for pizzagate, look into that deeper than what you read or watch on more mainstream sites/news media - at its core it was never really about a pizza joint in DC with secret tunnels, it's about the larger pedo rings operating globally, especially those with ties to government and this is exactly why the mainstream media downplayed it and applied that dirty word, "conspiracy", which was made dirty by the CIA when people started digging too deep after the Dealey Plaza incident

there are (or at least were) a small number of very smart and very well educated people on Voat (especially in politically sensitive historical topis) who presented many facts and talked about subjects that they couldn't talk about elsewhere (many were reddit refugees)

also i'm not sure the code is open - maybe someone can correct if i'm wrong - i know it was developed with Microsoft tools

blacklight447 commented 5 years ago

it seems here that the community has decided that they would not like to add voat, so im closing the issue.

Mikaela commented 5 years ago

Yes, and I also see a conflict between PTIO and Voat that I described at https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/pull/930#discussion_r283827464

privacytools / privacytools.io

✨ Feature Suggestion | Add Voat Subverse #711

CloudFlare site - must reject

What is CloudFlare (for the uninitiated)