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Look into setting up as a legal entity in the UK #1301

Closed drjwbaker closed 5 years ago

drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

Further to https://github.com/programminghistorian/jekyll/issues/878#issuecomment-492379337, a walkthrough of what I found at https://www.gov.uk/setting-up-charity

  1. (a) Check if Setting up a Charity is Right for You.

Possibly. We may be better suited in the first instance to becoming an 'Unincorporated Association' https://www.gov.uk/unincorporated-associations There is advice on this at https://www.resourcecentre.org.uk/information/legal-structures-for-community-and-voluntary-groups/#uia (a charity that supports community groups in setting up)

  1. (b) Check if you are eligible

Based on https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/what-makes-a-charity-cc4/what-makes-a-charity-cc4 we are. Summary:

  1. Trustees

See https://www.gov.uk/guidance/trustee-board-people-and-skills?step-by-step-nav=3dd66b86-ce29-4f31-bfa2-a5a18b877f11 and https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/finding-new-trustees-cc30?step-by-step-nav=3dd66b86-ce29-4f31-bfa2-a5a18b877f11. This would involve some work.

  1. Structure

Based on https://www.gov.uk/guidance/charity-types-how-to-choose-a-structure, we won't have a wide membership (e.g. who can vote at AGMs) and we probably don't want a corporate structure (as we'd have to send annual accounts to the Charity Commission), so this points again to an 'Unincorporated Association'

  1. Creating a governing document

Based on https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-write-your-charitys-governing-document, I'm again erring towards an 'Unincorporated Association' because it requires a constitution only in the first instance, which I think we are better placed to write, but the work that goes into that looks like it can be converted into a full charity at a later date is needed.

drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

More info on being an 'Unincorporated Association' in the UK

From https://www.resourcecentre.org.uk/information/legal-structures-for-community-and-voluntary-groups/#uia

An unincorporated association is a membership organisation. It can be whatever its members want it to be, and carry out whatever activity the members choose. It is the easiest, quickest and cheapest way for a group to set itself up. It is ideal for many small groups, especially those without staff or premises. A large number of groups fall into this category (sometimes without knowing it). To set up an unincorporated association, your group simply needs to draw up a constitution, setting out the rules under which it will be run.

An unincorporated association can be a charity, but it does not have to be. Many unincorporated associations primarily benefit their own members, and are therefore not considered to be charitable and are not regulated by charity law. For an unincorporated organisation to be a charity it must have charitable aims and be run for the public benefit. If your group is not charitable you do not need to register with or report to anyone. If your group is charitable, you will need to register with the Charity Commission if your annual income is over £5,000 per year.

An unincorporated association is not incorporated, so it cannot enter into contracts or own property in its own right.

To set up an unincorporated association, all you need to do is write and agree a constitution in your group. If you do not plan to become a charity, your constitution should lay out whatever aims you want for your group. If you wish to be a charity, it is best to base your constitution on the model constitution on the Charity Commission website.

acrymble commented 5 years ago

Thanks @drjwbaker . This sounds like a good possible path forward, and more reliable than through a university. Let's put it on the agenda for the next meeting.

drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

Thanks @acrymble. I'm looking into whether a UK-based Unincorporated Association (because if we go for this it will be as the bank account will be in the UK) can have non-UK based voting members. I'll report back when I hear more.

amsichani commented 5 years ago

Great , thanks @drjwbaker . I won't be at the next meeting but I m keen to keep an eye and contribute to further investigate this path.

drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

Thanks @amsichani. If we go for this, the bank account will need three UK-based signatories, so we might need you on that.

drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

Thanks @acrymble. I'm looking into whether a UK-based Unincorporated Association (because if we go for this it will be as the bank account will be in the UK) can have non-UK based voting members. I'll report back when I hear more.

I've been advised that I should seek legal advice on this. I'm looking into if Sussex has expertise than can answer the question. More soon.

acrymble commented 5 years ago

Let me know if I can help.

drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

@acrymble Will do. Would be useful to chat about it. Are you coming to my talk Tuesday per chance?

acrymble commented 5 years ago

If I can get back from exam board I will.

drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

Okay. If you don't, lets try to have a brief call later in the week.

drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

Update. Sussex doesn't appear to have this expertise. I've drafted an internal case for funds (matching that provided by University of Hertfordshire https://github.com/programminghistorian/jekyll/issues/1194) to instruct a lawyer to advise us. Deadline 31 May. Money has to be spent by 31 July. So hopefully we can move fast on this.

drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

Update. I have a solicitor interested. They are willing to provide an initial consultation and written follow up advice on structuring (note, initial thoughts are that becoming an 'Unincorporated Association' isn't the best idea and, as expected, "the overseas aspects do need to be handled carefully"). I've submitted a bid for internal Sussex funds to pay for this and some support with subsequent work that is needed (paperwork, opening bank accounts, et cetera). I'll know by mid-June. Thanks to @acrymble for comments on a draft bid. If I don't get it, let's re-evaluate. If I do, I'll take the lead but might need some rapid support from @programminghistorian/project-team with things we might then need to do like draft a constitution, start picking trustees, agreeing to be co-signatories on a bank account.

drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

I had a meeting today with the head of a learned society based on campus (they wanted to quiz me about OA, I wanted to quiz them about charitable status, so it was a fair exchange). A few notes of interest:

drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

Note from https://github.com/programminghistorian/jekyll/issues/1286 on Board of Trustees: think about whether we want to use this tactically to engage senior folks with us, or whether we can perform those roles.

drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

Two updates:

drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

Two updates:

I took a meeting earlier this week with someone from the Sussex Innovation Centre. Two things to note from this:

I took a meeting today with the Learned Societies Liaison Officer at the Foundation for Science and Technology. Highlights:

drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

To sum up for #1337:

drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

Update: I'm meeting nominated solicitor on Monday for an initial consultation. I'll update on next steps after the meeting.

drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

Update. I met the Caroline from Girlings today for a consultation. It went very well. Timetable is as follows:

Can I emphasis that this is a super significant decision.

My recommendation - based on conversations with Caroline and others - is that we do it, both for all the positive benefits we get (ability to accept and spend money to grow) and for all the risk mitigation it brings (we are personally liable for so much right now it is a little alarming..). But once the opinion is in, we need to make some time to talk this through properly.

JMParr commented 5 years ago

Thank you James, for your work on this!

On Monday, July 8, 2019, James Baker notifications@github.com wrote:

Update. I met the Caroline from Girlings https://www.girlings.com/our-people/caroline-armitage today for a consultation. It went very well. Timetable is as follows:

  • by 19 July: Girlings will produce written advice on how to structure as a not-for-profit Company Limited by Guarantee called 'The Programming Historian'. This will include a draft constitution and proposed structure, as well as a rationale paper (ergo, why this type of structure in UK law works for us) and a guide to next steps (picking Directors, registering at Companies House, getting a bank account, et al).
  • by 23 July: We have a chance to comment on these documents (I will circulate privately to you all)
  • on 23 July: @drjwbaker https://github.com/drjwbaker to return comments to Girlings.
  • by 26 July: Girlings will return document to us so that we as a team can make a decision on whether or not we go down this route.

Can I emphasis that this is a super significant decision.

My recommendation - based on conversations with Caroline and others - is that we do it, both for all the positive benefits we get (ability to accept and spend money to grow) and for all the risk mitigation it brings (we are personally liable for so much right now it is a little alarming..). But once the opinion is in, we need to make some time to talk this through properly.

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drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

Thanks @JMParr. Exciting times!

drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

Update. @acrymble and I (under the auspices of the Project Development Team) met today to work through the documents prepared by Girlings (sorry @amsichani: all came together quick and we think you are away!)

We have responded to Girlings who will produce a final recommendation and articles of incorporation by 26 July (per https://github.com/programminghistorian/jekyll/issues/1301#issuecomment-509266916)

We agree with their recommendation that the Editorial Board establish a Company Limited by Guarantee (not for profit) based in the UK.

This gives us everything we need: the ability to spend/collect money, the ability to enter into contracts, a reduction of our individual liabilities.

It also means that we will need to appoint company directors (no more than 7, no fewer than 2) to administer the business of the company: hold an AGM (to which all members, ergo in the first instance the Editorial Board will be invited and have voting power), check that accounts have been signed off correctly, be responsible for ensuring that the project is in compliance with the law (e.g. publishing copyrighted material) and if not that steps are taken to limit the damage.

We propose that the Directors in the first instance will be the Project Development Team (@drjwbaker @acrymble @amsichani) and the Managing Editors (@acrymble @mariajoafana @spapastamkou). Each Director will be appointed for a term of 3 years. If we chose to revise or expand the Directors within that period we can.

This is not a substantial shift in our ethos. The Directorial roles are not powerful roles. They do not supersede the authority of the Editorial Board. In fact the project and the company are separate entities. Instead, the roles are required to manage the company, which we can think of the admin layer of what we do.

In order to ensure there is no confusion that the company and the project are separate, Adam and I propose that we create a name for the company that is similar but distinct from The Programming Historian. We need a name that isn't already listed at Companies House. I suggest ProgHist Limited. Though I'm open to ideas.

Next steps are for Girlings to give us the final documents, at which point I will post them here and email round the team for comment. The idea is to discuss this at our next Editorial Meeting (https://github.com/programminghistorian/jekyll/issues/1362) and if we agree to proceed, incorporate in September.

After that, our main task will be establishing routes for donations, membership models (as a more sustainable source of income), and areas to focus expenditure once the money starts trickling in!

JMParr commented 5 years ago

Hi, James- Thank you for all of your hard work on this. I have no objection to either the proposed composition of the Board of Directors or to the proposed name. I look forward to seeing the documents when they're ready. - Jess

On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 10:41 AM James Baker notifications@github.com wrote:

Update. @acrymble https://github.com/acrymble and I (under the auspices of the Project Development Team) met today to work through the documents prepared by Girlings (sorry @amsichani https://github.com/amsichani: all came together quick and we think you are away!)

We have responded to Girlings who will produce a final recommendation and articles of incorporation by 26 July (per #1301 (comment) https://github.com/programminghistorian/jekyll/issues/1301#issuecomment-509266916 )

We agree with their recommendation that the Editorial Board establish a Company Limited by Guarantee (not for profit) based in the UK.

This gives us everything we need: the ability to spend/collect money, the ability to enter into contracts, a reduction of our individual liabilities.

It also means that we will need to appoint company directors (no more than 7, no fewer than 2) to administer the business of the company: hold an AGM (to which all members, ergo in the first instance the Editorial Board will be invited and have voting power), check that accounts have been signed off correctly, be responsible for ensuring that the project is in compliance with the law (e.g. publishing copyrighted material) and if not that steps are taken to limit the damage.

We propose that the Directors in the first instance will be the Project Development Team (@drjwbaker https://github.com/drjwbaker @acrymble https://github.com/acrymble @amsichani https://github.com/amsichani) and the Managing Editors (@acrymble https://github.com/acrymble @mariajoafana https://github.com/mariajoafana @spapastamkou https://github.com/spapastamkou). Each Director will be appointed for a term of 3 years. If we chose to revise or expand the Directors within that period we can.

This is not a substantial shift in our ethos. The Directorial roles are no powerful roles. They do not supersede the authority of the Editorial Board. In fact the project and the company are separate entities. Instead, the roles are required to manage the company, which we can think of the admin layer of what we do.

In order to ensure there is no confusion that the company and the project are separate, Adam and I propose that we create a name for the company that is similar but distinct from The Programming Historian. We need a name that isn't already listed at Companies House https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/. I suggest ProgHist Limited. Though I'm open to ideas.

Next steps are for Girlings to give us the final documents, at which point I will post them here and email round the team for comment. The idea is to discuss this at our next Editorial Meeting (#1362 https://github.com/programminghistorian/jekyll/issues/1362) and if we agree to proceed, incorporate in September.

After that, our main task will be establishing routes for donations, membership models (as a more sustainable source of income), and areas to focus expenditure once the money starts trickling in!

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drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

Thanks @JMParr. I really appreciate your vote of confidence!

amsichani commented 5 years ago

Hi @drjwbaker and @acrymble - thanks for all your hard work on this (I wasn't able to join you physically, thats true). Company Limited by Guarantee sounds like a good idea to me. As a newbie to the company world, I searched for some extra information on the nature of the company and obligations of Directors/ members: https://www.companylawclub.co.uk/companies-limited-by-guarantee#why (feel free to add resources).

First thoughts, at this stage

Do keep us updated on the progress, drop me a line if you need any help and again 🎉🎉🎉

drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

@amsichani Thanks for the comments. In turn:

arojascastro commented 5 years ago

Thank you a lot James for this work. It must be difficult to deal with this kind of tasks, so appreciate and I thank you for your efforts. Just one silly question: do we need to say that we are based in the UK?

drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

Thanks @arojascastro. I'm learning a lot of new things, so I don't mind putting in the effort.

We don't have to say we are based on the UK, but legally a company has to be registered in a country, and in this case - for reasons of clarity, precision, and transparency - we probably should say where the company based. Perhaps we could adjust the footer text (which I'm just making a suggestion at for now) to something like:

The Programming Historian is an international volunteer-driven project whose financial activities are administered by ProgHist Limited, a Not for Profit Company Limited by Guarantee that is registered in the UK, Company Number X

arojascastro commented 5 years ago

cool! yes, that little change is much more accurate :)

drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

Agreed. 'Based in' wasn't the right phrase. Thanks for the correction.

spapastamkou commented 5 years ago

Thank you for your work, @drjwbaker and @acrymble. If I can be useful, please let me know.

drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

Thanks @spapastamkou. If we all agree to go ahead, we'll be sure to fully explain what being a director will entail.

drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

Short update. Documents will be with us from Girlings soon. In the meantime, note that we'll be looking to take out Charity Directors’ and Officers Indemnity Insurance once we incorporate. For why, see https://www.adviceuk.org.uk/products-and-services/insurance-financial/trustees-directors-and-officers-insurance/. Basically, without the cover, a director’s personal assets could be at risk if a claim was to be made that contested a decision they made on behalf of the organisation.

drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

Opinion and Articles

All. Caroline Armitage at Girlings has delivered an opinion and draft articles on the matter of setting up as a legal entity in the UK. The opinion is consistent with my note at https://github.com/programminghistorian/jekyll/issues/1301#issuecomment-512845046. I attach the documents for your attention below.

@acrymble and I agree that this matter demands swift resolution. So in a slight adaptation of our Lazy Consensus model, we propose that we aim to discuss and agree a position on this at our next Editorial Meeting on 28 August. For the sake of simplicity, we will decide at that meeting whether or not to proceed to incorporate a non-profit in the UK for the purposes of administering the legal and financial aspects of our work. If we agree to proceed, we will work on the details (e.g., as discussed on this ticket, what to call the company or how to display this on the site) on a ticket by ticket basis.

So please read (or at least flick through) the attached before 28 August, and if you have any questions please post them to the ticket. If you can't make the meeting and would like to offer your support or reservations, again the ticket is the place to do it.

I'd like to take this opportunity to thanks Caroline for her swift and insightful work. And the School of History, Art History and Philosophy at the University of Sussex for providing the funds to instruct Caroline via our Higher Education Innovation Fund, as well as for admin support with invoices and the like (especially my colleague Paige Thompson!)

acrymble commented 5 years ago

Thanks @drjwbaker I have no questions at this time. Thanks for your work.

drjwbaker commented 5 years ago

We agreed at https://github.com/programminghistorian/jekyll/issues/1362#issuecomment-525825607 to take forward the proposal to incorporate at https://github.com/programminghistorian/jekyll/issues/1301#issuecomment-513861381. Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this piece of work. It has been a long road since we originally started looking into ways in which we could legally receive and spend money! (see https://github.com/programminghistorian/jekyll/issues/878#issuecomment-492379337).

Closing this issue now. Note the following issues relate to decisions taken before registering as a company: