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Implications of becoming a Charity in the UK #2276

Closed drjwbaker closed 2 years ago

drjwbaker commented 3 years ago

In prepartion for becoming a Charity (which is going well, see https://github.com/programminghistorian/jekyll/issues/1671#issuecomment-919862049), @acrymble @rivaquiroga and I read through document produced by the Charity Commission (UK) to better understand the roles of the ProgHist Ltd Directors as this role morphs into being Charity Trustees (side note, the Ltd will still exist simulateously, so we will be both Directors and Trustees, but it is convention to refer to role for both as 'Trustee' once we are a charity in the UK).

The document in called called 'The essential trustee': available here with a visual summary here. We identified a number of points that need attention, which are listed below.

rivaquiroga commented 3 years ago

@drjwbaker, sure. We will discuss it at that meeting.

acrymble commented 3 years ago

@drjwbaker On 7.7, it was just the "Longer Term Objectives" google doc conversation on #2223, which may affect the structure of the "Project Team" moving forward

drjwbaker commented 3 years ago

Thats the one. Thanks.

drjwbaker commented 3 years ago

Now we are a charity (!!!) I've added to this list the following:

@drjwbaker to propose changes to website text: footer, funding and ownership, history of the project

If there are other parts of the website I need to propose changes to, do please say.

drjwbaker commented 3 years ago

Now we are a charity (!!!) I've added to this list the following:

@drjwbaker to propose changes to website text: footer, funding and ownership, history of the project

If there are other parts of the website I need to propose changes to, do please say.

Realised the IPP page needs attention.

anisa-hawes commented 3 years ago

Thank you, @drjwbaker!

drjwbaker commented 3 years ago

Yes. And many thanks.

acrymble commented 3 years ago

We should consider ensuring that our fundraising complies with the Fundraising Regulator.

I have read their guidance. We are already compliant in most areas. I will send a separate email to those with relevant fundraising responsibilities on the specifics. But nothing major needs to change.

anisa-hawes commented 3 years ago

Hello @drjwbaker. You mentioned in the BoT meeting that very little has changed in terms of what it means to be a Member of the Editorial Board. Is there anything you'd like me to add to the Minutes to clarify this?

I've also added a note in the Minutes to reflect a comment you made about how we distinguish the roles/our expectations of volunteers vs employees. Is there further action to take here? Let me know if I can help you to complete these tasks.

drjwbaker commented 3 years ago

Hello @drjwbaker. You mentioned in the BoT meeting that very little has changed in terms of what it means to be a Member of the Editorial Board. Is there anything you'd like me to add to the Minutes to clarify this?

A bit of background. We agreed some time back to have one class of membership when we became an Ltd: "Member (Editorial Board)". This is what you see in the list of members. The action now is to move this membership over to the charity, though I just haven't found the time to properly go back to the relevant bit of 'The Essential Trustee' and figure it out.

I've also added a note in the Minutes to reflect a comment you made about how we distinguish the roles/our expectations of volunteers vs employees. Is there further action to take here? Let me know if I can help you to complete these tasks.

This refers to section 7.7 of the Essential Trustee, also described above https://github.com/programminghistorian/jekyll/issues/2276#issue-996899862 In short, I think we need a brief generic role description for voluntary work (what it is, what it is not). I wondered if this could align with the Project Team structure work you've been doing.

acrymble commented 3 years ago

I don't believe the charity has any volunteers. It only has trustees and staff (though it did have some summer students back in June, briefly).

The volunteers are volunteers of the Project Team.

drjwbaker commented 3 years ago

Blurred lines.

Are team members using Charity money to run outreach https://github.com/programminghistorian/jekyll/issues/2213 not volunteering for the Charity?

As we get used to being a charity I'd lean towards at least defining the distinction between paid and voluntary labour as set out by the guidance (e.g. generic: volunteers do not have set hours, are assumed to be responsible for their own equipment use; specific to us: for insurance purposes, speaking about PH assumed to be for their employer / in personal capacity not for PH)

acrymble commented 3 years ago

I don't agree, just like me spending IHR money doesn't make me a volunteer of the IHR.

We need to be careful here. A volunteer is someone operating under the direction and with the permission of someone within the charity. We don't direct the global lead, for example, so she isn't our volunteer.

anisa-hawes commented 3 years ago

Thank you @drjwbaker. I am meeting with Maria José next week and will raise these questions.

Some thoughts: It sounds as though we could usefully integrate the descriptions of voluntary work and staff work into the Privileges-and-Responsibilities-of-Membership page of the Wiki. Reviewing this, I think we also need to update some of the other Wiki pages to reflect our change of status. For example: https://github.com/programminghistorian/jekyll/wiki/Service-Agreement-Publisher-and-Publications.

I'm happy to take a look at the Essential Trustee document with you.

drjwbaker commented 3 years ago

I don't agree, just like me spending IHR money doesn't make me a volunteer of the IHR.

We need to be careful here. A volunteer is someone operating under the direction and with the permission of someone within the charity. We don't direct the global lead, for example, so she isn't our volunteer.

Okay. But we are a publisher. We provide loads of guidance for editors https://github.com/programminghistorian/jekyll/wiki And we call people volunteers https://programminghistorian.org/en/project-team When - say Alex - is working with Anisa on implementing permacc, is he working for himself, the project, or the Ltd?

I appreciate that the Ltd was designed to administer the legal and financial aspects of our work. We've paid attention to that line and it as worked well. And I don't want the Ltd to colonise our community of practice. But some of this is about optics. And I'm pretty sure from the outside it would be assumed that people doing things for PH for zero remuneration are volunteers doing voluntary work for a charity. Any other answer feels like an outsourcing legal technicality.

acrymble commented 3 years ago

I agree our structure at the moment makes this very problematic. That's why I've been pushing for ProgHist ltd to replace the Project Team as the administrator of day-to-day publishing activities in their entirety. That clarifies these legal issues, but hasn't been popular so far.

drjwbaker commented 3 years ago

This has been a really helpful to and fro. I suggest we a) keep an eye on where work is happening and b) draw up a brief doc to say what we think a volunteer for the Charity is (which excludes editorial work).

drjwbaker commented 3 years ago

Hello @drjwbaker. You mentioned in the BoT meeting that very little has changed in terms of what it means to be a Member of the Editorial Board. Is there anything you'd like me to add to the Minutes to clarify this?

A bit of background. We agreed some time back to have one class of membership when we became an Ltd: "Member (Editorial Board)". This is what you see in the list of members. The action now is to move this membership over to the charity, though I just haven't found the time to properly go back to the relevant bit of 'The Essential Trustee' and figure it out.

I had a chance to look at this, and this is now resolved: see https://github.com/programminghistorian/project-and-business-archive/tree/master/business/Register-of-Members/2021 (in short, updated Register of Members template, changed article references, checked membership type fits our articles, which it does.

anisa-hawes commented 2 years ago

Hello @drjwbaker. I've drafted a brief text, which I think might provide a good start towards fulfilling Section 7.7. I have adapted this from the Privileges and Responsibilities of Membership page of the Wiki. Let me know what you think.

--

What does being a volunteer for Programming Historian mean?

Most of our Members participate in the project on a voluntarily basis. As a volunteer, it’s very important that you are not asked to take on more than you have time or energy to commit to.

We ask that you:

In return, we:

--

I realise that you may want to add some specific exclusions/inclusions. We could add a set of further bullets to clarify, e.g.,

We are unable to offer:

drjwbaker commented 2 years ago

Many thanks for drafting @anisa-hawes. I think that does the trick. @acrymble: would having wording like this that we could point to as a 'description of our voluntary roles' ease the concerns you've expressed above?

acrymble commented 2 years ago

If someone fails to meet those standards, who has to have the conversation with them about moving on? If that's me, then no I don't agree to this because it's thankless and emotionally exhausting. If it's someone in the Project Team, then I don't think it matters what I think.

Editors aren't ProgHist volunteers. They're our members. We're responsible to them, not the other way around. Project team leads aren't our volunteers. They're volunteers of the Project Team. They're our colleagues, not our volunteers. If those team leads ave volunteers then they're their volunteers. Trustees aren't volunteers in a legal sense.

So who are the volunteers this refers to?

anisa-hawes commented 2 years ago

Let's chat, Adam. I think I have mis-understood the distinction between volunteers of the Project Team and volunteers of the Editorial Board.

I'm also happy to draft a further section about the procedures for how we remove members who don't meet those requirements/fulfil their responsibilities.

drjwbaker commented 2 years ago

If someone fails to meet those standards, who has to have the conversation with them about moving on? If that's me, then no I don't agree to this because it's thankless and emotionally exhausting. If it's someone in the Project Team, then I don't think it matters what I think.

I don't think this was intended as a job for you. A community of practice should maintain its own community standards. This isn't a requirement. It is a polite ask.

Editors aren't ProgHist volunteers. They're our members. We're responsible to them, not the other way around. Project team leads aren't our volunteers. They're volunteers of the Project Team. They're our colleagues, not our volunteers. If those team leads ave volunteers then they're their volunteers. Trustees aren't volunteers in a legal sense. So who are the volunteers this refers to?

I refer back to my point at https://github.com/programminghistorian/jekyll/issues/2276#issuecomment-953712508.

First, we call people volunteers on our About page. Second, in terms of optics, I'm pretty sure from the outside it would be assumed that people doing things for PH - whatever part of it - for zero remuneration are volunteers doing voluntary work for a charity (with the exlucusion of Trustees as that is legally seperate).

All I'm trying to do here is meet our legal requirements..

"You must ensure that [..] volunteers are clearly distinct from employees in terms of responsibilities and rights; for example by not requiring volunteers to work set hours, nor paying them more than expenses they actually incur" Section 7.7 of Essential Trustee

..and I think @anisa-hawes's helpful suggestion to massage some existing text on rights and responsibilities helps us towards that.

It is imperfect, but I don't think it is as big an issue as you perhaps think it is.

acrymble commented 2 years ago

It's a big issue for me because if something goes wrong, it will be up to me to spend the time and energy to handle it. I'm not willing to be responsible everyone on the project. Our project structure is very clear and disseminated in our business plan among other places. ProgHist's remit is not for the entire project, so everyone who engages with PH is not a ProgHist volunteer.

Under our current structure everyone is responsible to the Project Team of the Programming Historian, and @mariajoafana is the chair of that (under the title Project Manager at Large).

If we want to change our structure, that conversation has to start with the Project Team, whose volunteers make up Programming Historian.

drjwbaker commented 2 years ago

Adam. I think we are speaking past each other. I am not proposing changing the project structure. I am acknowledging the reality of being a charity in the UK and that Charity Commission asks us to make clear the difference between paid work and voluntary work. We already basically have this text https://github.com/programminghistorian/jekyll/wiki/Privileges-and-Responsibilities-of-Membership. What @anisa-hawes has done is integrate some useful additional clarifications, e.g. around insurance. On my read, this will enable us to continue our slight fudge position that everyone who engages with PH is not a volunteer for the charity.

And I'm not sure why you assume that it is up to you to put time and energy into every problem. We aren't your enemies.