Roguelike

[Nanoc-ice]

Not an issue, but a round of support to see where this can go! I would certainly like to assist, but I have just started my journey with Smalltalk. However, I would certainly like to assist with testing if needed. While I can test and eventually code I can't do the graphics, so no help there.

[psvensson]

Hi Nonocore, thanks! Actually this project was a way for me to start learning proper Smalltalk a couple of years back as well. Therefore it has quite a lot of what might kindly be called technical debt :). Most things sort of work now but it really needed a complete rewrite, which it has sort of floundered these last years.

What I did start on was a new project (in Pharo Smalltalk also) called Isosprite (https://github.com/psvensson/isosprite) which is just focusing on map handling and drawing of animated sprites.

And yes, the problem of good content/graphics is an ever-present cloud of gloom in game development. But for both this and the Isosprite project I've found and made good use of one of the great open-source resources out there, from a person named Clint Bellanger and his Flare project (https://github.com/clintbellanger/flare-game/tree/master/art_src).

So either I could help you make a change you'd like to do here in this kind of wonky project, or you could check out the mostly working Isosprite, or you could start making your own and I could assist (maybe making use of IsoSprite?)

[Nanoc-ice]

Sounds like I am right in line with your thinking. While I have played many different rogulikes over the years, I have not really stayed and finished any due to the interface. And the type of interface that did draw me in to some was the isometric view. I think that works best with that type of game…at least for me. And, I always had an interest in working on a project like that, and was actually another reason for picking up smalltalk again (after 25 years). Working on both seems like a worthwhile time sync. I am intrigued by your Isosprite and will look into it. As I progress in my knowledge I will pick up on this roguelike code before starting something new. I like the possibilities!

Gregg

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On Nov 25, 2021, at 12:02 AM, Peter Svensson @.***> wrote:

 Hi Nonocore, thanks! Actually this project was a way for me to start learning proper Smalltalk a couple of years back as well. Therefore it has quite a lot of what might kindly be called technical debt :). Most things sort of work now but it really needed a complete rewrite, which it has sort of floundered these last years.

What I did start on was a new project (in Pharo Smalltalk also) called Isosprite (https://github.com/psvensson/isosprite) which is just focusing on map handling and drawing of animated sprites.

And yes, the problem of good content/graphics is an ever-present cloud of gloom in game development. But for both this and the Isosprite project I've found and made good use of one of the great open-source resources out there, from a person named Clint Bellanger and his Flare project (https://github.com/clintbellanger/flare-game/tree/master/art_src).

So either I could help you make a change you'd like to do here in this kind of wonky project, or you could check out the mostly working Isosprite, or you could start making your own and I could assist (maybe making use of IsoSprite?)

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[psvensson]

Alright, sounds good to me. One good thing I would recommend is to have the game logic as separate as possible from the presentation and UI. That was something I did not think too much of in the beginning with this project (but did try more in the example/demo part of Isosprite). Nowadays he roguelike I have the most fun playing is a way, way more refined isometric one with a DOOM/SF theme called 'Jupiter Hell' which is on steam.

If you want more help or just comments, I'd recommend the #gamein-3d channel on the Pharo discord server, which I have open most of the time.

[Nanoc-ice]

All cool. That is a good tactic to separate the UI from the game logic. I have seen that in many of the previous roguelikes I have worked on. And totally, get not touching that when you first start off as it sounds like you had a lot of synergy between learning the language and creating the code. This provides a great roadmap for what to do (and not to do) with a second version. And with separation of UI and logic it makes it possible to adapt it to other roguelikes that have an ASCII interface (thinking angband).

I have seen Jupiter Hell, but up to just a couple of days ago, I was a Apple exclusive developer. I bought my first Windows machine which now has a chance to play those Windows only titles. I didn’t look to far past the initial screens of Jupiter Hell once I saw it was windows only. But now, maybe its worth taking another look.

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On Nov 25, 2021, at 5:43 AM, Peter Svensson @.***> wrote:

 Alright, sounds good to me. One good thing I would recommend is to have the game logic as separate as possible from the presentation and UI. That was something I did not think too much of in the beginning with this project (but did try more in the example/demo part of Isosprite). Nowadays he roguelike I have the most fun playing is a way, way more refined isometric one with a DOOM/SF theme called 'Jupiter Hell' which is on steam.

If you want more help or just comments, I'd recommend the #gamein-3d channel on the Pharo discord server, which I have open most of the time.

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[psvensson]

Alright, yes I hope so, thanks. Having an ASCII 'baseline' is a good idea. Speaking of Jupiter Hell (which started out as an angband clone called DoomRL - https://drl.chaosforge.org/wiki/DoomRL_Wiki) , it does actually run on Linux as well (which is my primary OS), but I totally get using Windows for gaming (and MS have greatly reduced their level of malignant nuttery the last decade as well, so who know, one day I might run Windows too :) ).

[Nanoc-ice]

Hey just touching base to see if you still had interest in progressing the game? I have had some issues that have kept me from moving forward with smalltalk, so I have been silent. I’m getting the urge again so hopefully I can do more.

[psvensson]

H again, sorry for the late reply but a) I've been a bit busy but also b) I've been feeling a bit like it should be redone completely and not sure about how to do so and needed some time to think about it.

As a summer project maybe, how about starting a new project which uses the above isosprite project as a dependency, which separates the visuals and logic more cleanly, and then we can take it from there, as a kind of slow summer project, coding between beers, or something like that. Would that work?

[Nanoc-ice]

Not a problem at all, Im right there with you. I still need some smalltalk work on my side before I can contribute. My initial goal is to take a small rogeulike (one that I can get source that is not too involved) done with (n)curses or python, or there is a project that provides all the basic functions can’t remember the name…shows how far away I am. Actually, I think there is one port to smalltalk. If true, I might try that out just to get in the right frame of mind.

Then, is when I will be ready to join in, BUT please start with out me. After looking at some to these other roguelikes, I will have comments and feedback as to structure. I really am excited about this type of project, just life keeps getting in the way.

On Jun 28, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Peter Svensson @.***> wrote:

H again, sorry for the late reply but a) I've been a bit busy but also b) I've been feeling a bit like it should be redone completely and not sure about how to do so and needed some time to think about it.

As a summer project maybe, how about starting a new project which uses the above isosprite project as a dependency, which separates the visuals and logic more cleanly, and then we can take it from there, as a kind of slow summer project, coding between beers, or something like that. Would that work?

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[psvensson]

Yes, but then we are on the same page. I might start documenting the isosprite project a but more so it can be actually used. Let's see how far I can drag it along this summer. First one to readiness level hollers

[Nanoc-ice]

sounds good to me!

On Jun 28, 2022, at 10:55 AM, Peter Svensson @.***> wrote:

Yes, but then we are on the same page. I might start documenting the isosprite project a but more so it can be actually used. Let's see how far I can drag it along this summer. First one to readiness level hollers

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