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macOS 11.1 + Homebrew 2.6.2 + Python 3.9.1 = "IDLE" crash #86857

Closed 9f4ee15c-4982-44ca-919e-b0bc6031584f closed 3 years ago

9f4ee15c-4982-44ca-919e-b0bc6031584f commented 3 years ago
BPO 42691
Nosy @terryjreedy, @ronaldoussoren, @ned-deily, @fxcoudert
Superseder
  • bpo-42480: Python Tkinter crashes on macOS 11.1 beta
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    GitHub fields: ```python assignee = None closed_at = created_at = labels = ['OS-mac', 'expert-tkinter', '3.9', 'type-crash'] title = 'macOS 11.1 + Homebrew 2.6.2 + Python 3.9.1 = "IDLE" crash' updated_at = user = 'https://bugs.python.org/psirenko94' ``` bugs.python.org fields: ```python activity = actor = 'ned.deily' assignee = 'none' closed = True closed_date = closer = 'ned.deily' components = ['macOS', 'Tkinter'] creation = creator = 'p.sirenko.94' dependencies = [] files = [] hgrepos = [] issue_num = 42691 keywords = [] message_count = 13.0 messages = ['383436', '383451', '383488', '383491', '383537', '383539', '383541', '383542', '383543', '383544', '383545', '383547', '383549'] nosy_count = 5.0 nosy_names = ['terry.reedy', 'ronaldoussoren', 'ned.deily', 'fxcoudert', 'p.sirenko.94'] pr_nums = [] priority = 'normal' resolution = 'duplicate' stage = 'resolved' status = 'closed' superseder = '42480' type = 'crash' url = 'https://bugs.python.org/issue42691' versions = ['Python 3.9'] ```

    9f4ee15c-4982-44ca-919e-b0bc6031584f commented 3 years ago

    Process: Python [3355] Path: /usr/local/Cellar/python@3.9/3.9.1_1/IDLE 3.app/Contents/MacOS/Python Identifier: org.python.IDLE Version: 3.9.1 (3.9.1) Code Type: X86-64 (Native) Parent Process: ??? [1] Responsible: Python [3355] User ID: 502

    Date/Time: 2020-12-20 21:22:43.045 +0300 OS Version: macOS 11.1 (20C69) Report Version: 12 Bridge OS Version: 5.1 (18P3030) Anonymous UUID: 0607359F-0422-4E24-D0EC-3FDFB0D5A17C

    Time Awake Since Boot: 940 seconds

    System Integrity Protection: enabled

    Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

    Exception Type: EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT) Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000 Exception Note: EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY

    Application Specific Information: abort() called

    Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread 0 libsystemkernel.dylib 0x00007fff20307462 \_pthread_kill + 10 1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff20335610 pthread_kill + 263 2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff20288720 abort + 120 3 Tcl 0x00007fff6fe06b55 Tcl_PanicVA + 398 4 Tcl 0x00007fff6fe06bd5 Tcl_Panic + 128 5 Tk 0x00007fff6ff06ad5 TkpInit + 385 6 Tk 0x00007fff6fe86788 0x7fff6fe55000 + 202632 7 _tkinter.cpython-39-darwin.so 0x0000000101dbe701 Tcl_AppInit + 84 8 _tkinter.cpython-39-darwin.so 0x0000000101db99fa _tkinter_create + 975 9 org.python.python 0x00000001018b11bb cfunction_vectorcall_FASTCALL + 203 10 org.python.python 0x0000000101928ff3 call_function + 403 11 org.python.python 0x0000000101926184 _PyEval_EvalFrameDefault + 27452 12 org.python.python 0x0000000101929b3b _PyEval_EvalCode + 1998 13 org.python.python 0x00000001018815d8 _PyFunction_Vectorcall + 248 14 org.python.python 0x0000000101880e28 _PyObject_FastCallDictTstate + 149 15 org.python.python 0x0000000101881891 _PyObject_Call_Prepend + 139 16 org.python.python 0x00000001018c9e96 slot_tp_init + 87 17 org.python.python 0x00000001018c36f7 type_call + 150 18 org.python.python 0x0000000101880fa3 _PyObject_MakeTpCall + 266 19 org.python.python 0x0000000101929027 call_function + 455 20 org.python.python 0x00000001019262ee _PyEval_EvalFrameDefault + 27814 21 org.python.python 0x0000000101929b3b _PyEval_EvalCode + 1998 22 org.python.python 0x00000001018815d8 _PyFunction_Vectorcall + 248 23 org.python.python 0x0000000101928ff3 call_function + 403 24 org.python.python 0x0000000101926230 _PyEval_EvalFrameDefault + 27624 25 org.python.python 0x0000000101929b3b _PyEval_EvalCode + 1998 26 org.python.python 0x000000010191f56d PyEval_EvalCode + 79 27 org.python.python 0x000000010195a5b5 run_eval_code_obj + 110 28 org.python.python 0x00000001019599ad run_mod + 103 29 org.python.python 0x0000000101958871 PyRun_FileExFlags + 241 30 org.python.python 0x0000000101957e61 PyRun_SimpleFileExFlags + 271 31 org.python.python 0x000000010196fd88 Py_RunMain + 1839 32 org.python.python 0x00000001019700c1 pymain_main + 306 33 org.python.python 0x000000010197010f Py_BytesMain + 42 34 libdyld.dylib 0x00007fff20350621 start + 1

    Thread 1: 0 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff20331458 start_wqthread + 0

    Thread 2: 0 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff20331458 start_wqthread + 0

    Thread 3: 0 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff20331458 start_wqthread + 0

    Thread 4: 0 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff20331458 start_wqthread + 0

    Thread 5: 0 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff20331458 start_wqthread + 0

    Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (64-bit): rax: 0x0000000000000000 rbx: 0x000000010a905e00 rcx: 0x00007ffeee3c1068 rdx: 0x0000000000000000 rdi: 0x0000000000000307 rsi: 0x0000000000000006 rbp: 0x00007ffeee3c1090 rsp: 0x00007ffeee3c1068 r8: 0x00000000000130a8 r9: 0x00007fff889950e8 r10: 0x000000010a905e00 r11: 0x0000000000000246 r12: 0x0000000000000307 r13: 0x00007fb37d04b790 r14: 0x0000000000000006 r15: 0x0000000000000016 rip: 0x00007fff20307462 rfl: 0x0000000000000246 cr2: 0x00007fff8d152f70

    Logical CPU: 0 Error Code: 0x02000148 Trap Number: 133

    Thread 0 instruction stream not available.

    Thread 0 last branch register state not available.

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    terryjreedy commented 3 years ago

    This is a 'ancient, buggy tcl/tk 8.5.9 on OS11' issue, not an IDLE issue. Only 8.6.10 has a chance with OS11, and even that is a bit flakey. But I have no issues so far running 3.9.1 and IDLE with the Universal2 OS11 build from python.org on Mohave.

    What happens if you run 'python3.9' on a command line? What about 'python 3.9 -c "import tkinter; tkinter.Tk()"'?

    Ned & Ronald: I expect we should close this as 3rd party (Apple, Active State (tcl/tk), and homebrew). Do either of you want to add anything?

    ned-deily commented 3 years ago

    This is the same sort of crash of a Homebrew Python as reported in bpo-42480 and the root cause is the same: the Homebrew recipe is allowing building and linking with the known faulty and deprecated Apple-provided system Tcl and Tk 8.5.9 frameworks. It needs to be modified to use a newer (8.6.x) version of Tcl and Tk.

    9f4ee15c-4982-44ca-919e-b0bc6031584f commented 3 years ago

    petr@air-anastasia ~ % python3 -c "import tkinter; tkinter.Tk()"
    macOS 11 or later required ! zsh: abort python3 -c "import tkinter; tkinter.Tk()"

    >>> tkinter.TclVersion
8.5
>>> tkinter.TkVersion
8.5

    petr@air-anastasia ~ % brew install tcl-tk Updating Homebrew... ==> Auto-updated Homebrew! Updated Homebrew from f47c1eae3 to 1eff47766. Updated 2 taps (homebrew/core and homebrew/cask). ==> New Formulae xcb-util-image xcb-util-renderutil xcb-util-wm ==> Updated Formulae Updated 29 formulae. ==> Updated Casks Updated 18 casks.

    ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/tcl-tk-8.6.10.big_sur.bottl ==> Downloading from https://d29vzk4ow07wi7.cloudfront.net/b7c942f7fc15b6a402bf4 ######################################################################## 100.0% ==> Pouring tcl-tk-8.6.10.big_sur.bottle.1.tar.gz ==> Caveats tcl-tk is keg-only, which means it was not symlinked into /usr/local, because macOS already provides this software and installing another version in parallel can cause all kinds of trouble.

    If you need to have tcl-tk first in your PATH run: echo 'export PATH="/usr/local/opt/tcl-tk/bin:$PATH"' >> \~/.zshrc

    For compilers to find tcl-tk you may need to set: export LDFLAGS="-L/usr/local/opt/tcl-tk/lib" export CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/local/opt/tcl-tk/include"

    ==> Summary 🍺 /usr/local/Cellar/tcl-tk/8.6.10: 3,037 files, 51.4MB

    I have tried to update tcl-tk with the homebrew, but in command line I see 8.5 Could you please help me to fix this tcl-tk problem?

    ned-deily commented 3 years ago

    I have tried to update tcl-tk with the homebrew, but in command line I see 8.5 Could you please help me to fix this tcl-tk problem?

    You should check with the Homebrew project; we have no insight into or control over their packaging choices. Good luck!

    f3f98a6e-552c-4200-b324-3bb2661b6a16 commented 3 years ago

    Hi Ned,

    FX from Homebrew here. One of the reasons we a couple of years ago to stick with macOS system tcl-tk was that cpython's configure does not currently allow to build against our tcl-tk, which is not a framework but a simple Unix-style library build. We can definitely reconsider if you recommend a newer tcl-tk, but do you know if the build issues with non-framework tcl-tk have been fixed?

    f3f98a6e-552c-4200-b324-3bb2661b6a16 commented 3 years ago

    After checking, I can see the code in cpython's setup.py is still there. detect_tkinter_darwin will prefer the system's version over anything we can specific in our cflags or ldflags. This seems contrary to the advice above not to use macOS system Tcl/Tk.

    ned-deily commented 3 years ago

    If you are not using Tcl and Tk framework builds installed in /Library, you use the configure or make options:

    --with-tcltk-includes='-I...' override search for Tcl and Tk include files --with-tcltk-libs='-L...' override search for Tcl and Tk libs

    to specify exactly where to find your versions of Tcl and Tk. See the comments in setup.py:

        def detect_tkinter_explicitly(self):
        # Build _tkinter using explicit locations for Tcl/Tk.
        #
        # This is enabled when both arguments are given to ./configure:
        #
        #     --with-tcltk-includes="-I/path/to/tclincludes \
        #                            -I/path/to/tkincludes"
        #     --with-tcltk-libs="-L/path/to/tcllibs -ltclm.n \
        #                        -L/path/to/tklibs -ltkm.n"
        #
        # These values can also be specified or overridden via make:
        #    make TCLTK_INCLUDES="..." TCLTK_LIBS="..."
        #
        # This can be useful for building and testing tkinter with multiple
        # versions of Tcl/Tk.  Note that a build of Tk depends on a particular
        # build of Tcl so you need to specify both arguments and use care when
        # overriding.
        # The _TCLTK variables are created in the Makefile sharedmods target.
    f3f98a6e-552c-4200-b324-3bb2661b6a16 commented 3 years ago

    But we can override with --with-tcltk-includes and --with-tcltk-libs I've opened a pull request for Homebrew to switch to recent tcl-tk: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/pull/67378

    f3f98a6e-552c-4200-b324-3bb2661b6a16 commented 3 years ago

    Our messages crossed, thanks Ned for the help. Hopefully we'll be solving this in a way that benefit most users.

    9f4ee15c-4982-44ca-919e-b0bc6031584f commented 3 years ago

    Guys, thank you all for joining the conversation!

    I don't understand what exactly should I do to fix this, but I have a lot to study through py4u and plenty of time before I will really need Python fixed. Should I do something with this now or just wait for updates?

    terryjreedy commented 3 years ago

    To use tkinter and hence IDLE and turtle on macOS, get the Mac Python installer on python.org.

    ned-deily commented 3 years ago

    Should I do something with this now or just wait for updates?

    I'd wait for a Homebrew recipe update.