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"participant doing the harassing" #15

Closed NikolasE closed 6 years ago

NikolasE commented 8 years ago

Step one of reporting is "Identifying information (name/badge number) of the participant doing the harassing"

Is there a rationale not to use a wording like "of the accused participant"? The first step in dealing with a situation otherwise already contains the verdict (there is someone who harassed).

dianaclarke commented 8 years ago

There's lots of room for improvement. For example, "Report the harassment incident" also assumes the incident in question is "harassment" when in reality these procedures are meant to be guidelines for all sorts of incidents.

sigmavirus24 commented 8 years ago

@NikolasE in most cases someone will be reporting the fact that they are being harassed (not someone else doing the reporting for them). From that person's perspective "I have to get the identifying information of the person harassing me" because they wouldn't be reporting them otherwise.

This isn't a legal document and the people responsible for handling reports don't automatically assume the other person is guilty.

NikolasE commented 8 years ago

"will be reporting the fact that they are being harassed" They can only report that they think they are harassed.

dianaclarke commented 8 years ago

I encourage you consider "the spirit" of these docs, not their literal meaning. Like I said earlier, there's lots of room for improvement. As someone that has fielded a number of Code of Conduct reports, please let me assure you that each report is considered individually with nuance & that these are only guidelines; written by volunteers with limited time.

holdenweb commented 8 years ago

How about "the subject(s) of the complaint"?

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This isn't a legal document and the people responsible for handling reports don't automatically assume the other person is guilty.

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sigmavirus24 commented 8 years ago

@holdenweb I feel like you and @NikolasE are trying to make this more legalistic than understandable. As @dianaclarke said, the exact language is unimportant because it's the spirit of the document that people fielding code of conduct complaints will be considering.

Yes there's room for improvement. No, I don't think we need to make this read more like a legal document.

ewdurbin commented 6 years ago

we have removed the specificity of harassment with updates for 2018.