This ENCOURAGES the same kind of inappropriate behaviour.

[CarlKenner]

There is a major bug in this code. Rather than discouraging inappropriate and bullying behaviour - it actually encourages such behaviour by making them out to be the victims.

Python coders will not be attending this conference if they do not feel safe doing so. Overhearing a joke while listening to other people's private conversations is not a safety issue. But getting fired, publicly demonised, treated like a criminal, or being harassed by conference staff, for making a joke would be a safety issue that would scare people from attending.

The code currently has far too much emphasis on censoring jokes, and on implicitly designating certain groups as automatic victims. Which seems likely to encourage people to threaten other conference attendees over nothing.

[jnoller]

Character assassinations are unwelcome. I've deleted (then restored, per your request) the text from your issue, and I politely suggest you reword it if you sincerely wish to make contributions.

Note, if you can not rationally see that "deranged narcissists" and the other things are directly related to your feelings about current events, I don't know how to proceed. I prefer constructive contributions then what you've posted in this issue, which is in no way helpful, misrepresents the community as a whole, how the issue was addressed by staff, etc.

[holdenweb]

I really don't feel that language like "deranged narcissist" is helpful in discussing this issue. Whatever was done we should assume it was done out of a wish to improve the conference atmosphere, no matter how things actually worked out.

On Mar 27, 2013, at 7:41 AM, Carl Kenner wrote:

There is a major bug in this code. Rather than discouraging the completely inappropriate and bullying behaviour of deranged narcissists who create an unsafe conference environment by photographing innocent people, posting them on twitter, and getting them fired - it actually encourages such behaviour and makes them out to be the victims.

Python coders will not be attending this conference if they do not feel safe doing so. Overhearing a dongle joke while eavesdropping on other people's conversations is not a safety issue. Getting fired, publicly demonised, treated like a criminal, or being harassed by conference staff, for making a dongle joke IS a major safety issue.

The code currently does nothing to ensure the safety of participants, and everything to encourage this kind of abuse against them.

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[CarlKenner]

"Note, if you can not rationally see that "deranged narcissists" and the other things are directly related to your feelings about current events, I don't know how to proceed." It has nothing to do with my feelings, it has to do with reality. Anyway, I removed that part.

"I really don't feel that language like "deranged narcissist" is helpful in discussing this issue." What we "feel" isn't important, we need to use logic. And describing what the problem actually is, is obviously helpful. I had to remove it though.

"Whatever was done we should assume it was done out of a wish to improve the conference atmosphere, no matter how things actually worked out." Basing code on false assumptions never works. Whatever was done was obviously not done out of a wish to improve the conference atmosphere for anyone other than themself. It was done to create a climate of fear for everyone they disapproved of.

[holdenweb]

On Mar 27, 2013, at 10:17 AM, Carl Kenner wrote:

"I really don't feel that language like "deranged narcissist" is helpful in discussing this issue." What we "feel" isn't important, we need to use logic. And describing what the problem actually is, is obviously helpful

If you can't see that your language is pejorative (and therefore unhelpful) I'm not sure how else I can persuade you. Describing "the problem" as "deranged narcissists" is no more objective than my feelings that the language is unhelpful. Thanks for removing that wording.

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