Open peterdesmet opened 8 years ago
Yes, I've seen this. When I started writing the proposal I was going to suggest 'temporality' to indicate what I have now called origin, but I decided on the later term to make it consistent with the IUCN terms. Both origin and status are vague, but both are widely used. Nevertheless, I felt that a using a vague term may force people to read the definition and vocabulary before they use it. It is, in fact, quite difficult to choose a single word or short phrase to specifically convey these concepts.
We are currently working on this through the mapping exercise for the alien checklist. Especially the origin/status discussion Sorry guys but you are progressing too quicky for us ( speaking for me , maybe Tim too ?) Quite a hot and important topic actually and we need to do it properly.
If status is too general a term (which I agree, it can also indicate trend, rarity etc.), origin is too. For status, we could suggest renaming that term to "invasion stage" (in line with the Blackburn et al. 2014 framework). For the Belgian register, we decided to rename the field origin to "native range". And we use the NOBANIS terms for it:
Continents Africa The African continent Antarctica The Antarctic continent Asia Divides Asia from Europe along Ural/Kazakhstan, Black Sea Europe Divides Europe from Asia along Ural/Kazakhstan N. America Canada, USA and Mexico Oceania Australia, New Zealand, Tasmania and a number of small islands S. America All countries on the S. American continent south of Mexico
Oceans Arctic Ocean The ocean surrounding the North Pole Indian Ocean The Ocean south of India to the southern tip of Africa and to the northern tip of Australia N. Atlantic Ocean Upper part of the Atlantic Ocean divided by the equator S. Atlantic Ocean The lower part of the Atlantic Ocean divided by the equator N. Pacific Ocean The upper part of the Pacific Ocean divided by the equator S. Pacific Ocean The lower part of the Pacific ocean divided by the equator Southern Oceans The ocean surrounding the South Pole combinations (also across continents | oceans)
field term = "native range", to discriminate between natural range expansion and a true alien is important and we don’t want to lose the information of where a species naturally occurs e.g. species where it is unknown whether they had natural range expansion or were introduced. Therefore, we can have EU in the area of origin (e.g. pontocaspian species, central european spp). We don’t follow the gisin terms here since these in our opinion better fit "status". There seems to be no corresponding controlled vocabulary in GRIIS for origin. The idea is to link origin with status and to distinguish primarily between species native to other parts of the EU from species from other continents.
@timadriaens it seems you indeed want to indicate where the species naturally occurs
(my first definition) and I would then indeed rename it to nativeRange
.
@SoVDH Don't worry about the speed, nothing is going to change in Darwin Core until at least the TDWG conference in December and may be not even then. The point is to get the discussion going, so that something will eventually be decided.
@timadriaens none of these terms is unambiguous or usable without clear definitions that mention the context. To my knowledge, Darwin Core is used to describe observations and create checklists, it is not used to describe species. Therefore you would never need to use "native range" in the context of which part of the world it comes from. You just need to be able say whether it comes from the area that the observation or checklist covers. In the proposal I was quite careful to make this distinction, because if you don't specify the context it is even more confusing.
I think 'origin' (as in the proposal) could be used in checklists and possibly with observations, but the latter use is more problematic. 'occurrenceStatus' is best used only with checklists and 'establishmentMeans' is best used with observations, but delimiter separated lists are allowed for some fields in DwC.
ok, makes perfect sense. I guess it's clear we have to do our mapping exercise first and then discuss with you what and how we can map certain fields on darwin core - or not.
I've just been looking through Darwin Core and TDWG standards and it looks like there never has been a field for describing the biogeographic range of a species, though there may be one in ABCD, but I have not looked.
@timadriaens What you are looking for is described by PlinianCore https://github.com/PlinianCore/Documentation/wiki
While working on the Manual of Alien plants I stumbled on the same problem as discussed here. There's a good argument for adopting the exact same name as in the IUCN definition, but as a term/description type name I find "origin" very broad.
To reiterate, the proposed vocab for the term is:
native
reintroduced
introduced
introduced before the modern era
introduced during the modern era
vagrant
unknown
Here are a number alternatives for the name origin
(including bad ones and why they are bad):
established
, invasive
, which is not want native
, introduced
is about.nativeRange
(used in the Manual) or other statuses like threatStatus
(used in the distribution extension) and occurrenceStatus
(present
, absent
, see this vocab).What do you think?
There seem to be two
origin
concepts going around in the IAS world:Origin as suggested in this repo
With controlled vocab:
This is what @timadriaens and @SoVDH have called
status
and has traditionally been populated inestablishmentMeans
. I thinkstatus
is too generic of a name, but maybeorigin
is too. Wouldestablishment
be a good alternative? What have other IAS groups suggested, that could work in the larger scope of biodiversity information?Origin as native range
See https://github.com/inbo/alien-species-checklist/issues/53, where the term
origin
is currently proposed to indicate the native range, with values such as:Maybe we need to just use
nativeRange
for this term, but I'm not sure if that is what is actually meant. Do we mean:Or:
@timadriaens and @SoVDH, what do you think?