Closed TessColijn closed 4 years ago
@AlexanderWirtz @jorisberkhout @ChaelKruip do you have some thoughts/ideas about the questions above?
@ 1
Can we couple each CHP to the demand of the location of the CHP and thus determine the shortage per location?
Not desirable. Data will not be available and making assumptions is too complicated IMO.
Do we want shortage to be filled with an automatic response or should this be determined by user input?
The ETM cannot deal with imbalance, so something will always have to be done to fill this shortage. We could add a new carrier called heat_shortage
, or we could just have gas-fired heaters jump in. I prefer the latter option, as this is likely to be closest to the truth. biomass heaters will not be able to start fast enough, so biomass CHPs will have gas-fired heaters for backup as well.
We could give the user the option of choosing greengas
or biogas
for backup heaters, but that seems convoluted, as they can also choose the percentage of greengas
in network_gas
.
Should we take water tanks to buffer heat into consideration?
I vote no, as this makes things so complicated. I wonder if it is really necessary on a large scale.
@ 2 The above also applies here. The question for both 1 and 2 is: how do we make the user aware that backup heaters are being used instead of CHPs?
@AlexanderWirtz
or we could just have gas-fired heaters jump in
In this case we make an assumption that every greenhouse has a gas boiler that could supply all the heat needed. And we could label these boilers "backup_boilers". And if i understand correctly this is the current scenario in the dutch agriculture sector and would be a realistic assumption. But i am still not sure how these gas-fired boilers would relate to the percentage share of gas-fired boilers that the user has already chosen to use? Wouldn't this mean that the percentage share selected by the user needs to be updated such that CHPs produce less and gas-fired boilers more? Or is it sufficient to keep the initially chosen gas-fired boilers and the backup boiler as separate feedbacks for the user?
CHPs are profitable and thus running on full capacity but share of heat required to be fulfilled with CHP heat as determined by user input is not met.
I know i gave this as a possible scenario, but are there cases where a greenhouse needs both a CHP and gas boilers at full capacity to meet its heat demand?
According to the inputs in the current model these solutions could be in the following forms:
The user can also decrease the total heat demand to solve this shortage.
User can decrease the percentage share of CHPs and replace with other technologies to solve the second type of shortage
Wouldn't it make more sense to give the user sliders for the installed capacity (number of units) for all heating options rather than this complex two-step approach of first setting shares and later number of units (only for CHPs)?
I know i gave this as a possible scenario, but are there cases where a greenhouse needs both a CHP and gas boilers at full capacity to meet its heat demand?
This would mean that the greenhouse did not dimension its heat production properly. I think that this might occur in reality but is perhaps not very useful to model explicitly.
@AlexanderWirtz I'm curious about your thoughts on this as well!
@ChaelKruip
Wouldn't it make more sense to give the user sliders for the installed capacity (number of units) for all heating options rather than this complex two-step approach of first setting shares and later number of units (only for CHPs)?
Would we then assume that all installed capacities run their FLHs? Doesn't the percentage shares try to match the output of heat to the demand for heat and how would this work if user only choses units?
Also see issue https://github.com/quintel/etmodel/issues/2278 about distribution of heat between technologies.
@AlexanderWirtz @jorisberkhout From a discussion with Chael we have come to the following conclusions:
E = FLH * Cap/unit * NoU
number of units need to be determined and this could be in the form of a user input slider as is the case now. This also enables the user to adjust installed capacity for a growing demand. Does this make sense and if so do you agree?
@ChaelKruip if we make the agriculture CHPs dispatchable. Wouldn't it also make more sense to relocate the slider for the number of units to the Supply section of the model, together with all the other electricity production?
Closing, CHPs are now dispatchable in Merit, marginal costs for steam cycle CHPs have been adjusted. Heat demand calculation is time-resolved
How will shortages be solved?
Once CHPs are dispatchable there will be two reasons for a shortage:
Electricity price is low and CHPs are too expensive to run. Hence CHPs are available but not active or not running on full capacity. If this is the case the shortage might also arise depending on technology. If woodpellets CHP is too expensive then greenhouses with woodpellets CHP are not heated while gas CHPs might be active and providing excess heat.
Several questions arise to how this shortage is solved?
CHPs are profitable and thus running on full capacity but share of heat required to be fulfilled with CHP heat as determined by user input is not met.
The user will need options to solve this second type of shortage. According to the inputs in the current model these solutions could be in the following forms:
Do we want to leave these options to the user? Or should these be automatic responses to the shortages? Also see issue https://github.com/quintel/etmodel/issues/2278 about user input.