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Investment and O&M costs for components of gas-infrastructure should be researched #574

Closed ChaelKruip closed 8 years ago

ChaelKruip commented 8 years ago

At this point we will not explicitly model the gas-infrastructure (topology) as with electricity but we should still know a bit more about the cost of the gas infrastructure to be able to assess 'avoided costs' if we build an all-electric street in ETMoses. Or the cost of removal ('amoveren') of existing infrastructure if we would go to all-electric in existing streets.

I think it would be very useful to know:

ChaelKruip commented 8 years ago

@JeroenvdLogt do you think you could find numbers for these topics?

jorisberkhout commented 8 years ago

We recently researched these parameters for a different project and found the following costs; all costs are costs per connection (i.e. house) and include a proportional part of costs of the gas infrastructure that is shared with other connections.

Parameter Costs Comment
Typical cost of construction € 766.95 Based on Rekenmodel maximumprijs en aansluitbijdrage warmte (ACM, 2015); weighted average of the eenmalige aansluitvergoeding for a G6 connection
Typical cost of removal € 766.95 The majority of the cost for construction and removal of gas infrastructure are labour costs and costs of equipment; the costs of the pipelines themselves are marginal compared to these and we assumed that the costs of removal are therefore equal to the costs of construction
Typical O&M costs € 62.00 / year Based on Rapportage winsten regionale netbeheerders elektriciteit en gas 2008-2013 (ACM, 2015); total annual O&M costs divided by number of connections

Do these make sense to you, @JeroenvdLogt ?

ChaelKruip commented 8 years ago

@JeroenvdLogt it would be more useful if we would have some typical numbers for extreme and average situations:

dennisquintel commented 8 years ago

@JeroenvdLogt it would be more useful if we would have some typical numbers for extreme and average situations:

  • Densely populated region (city)
  • Sparsely populated region (countryside)
  • Something in between?

I know that some models (references available on request through a private message) use the building density ('woningdichtheid') to scale 'typical' costs. We could perhaps include a 'building density' parameter in the topology?

Some numbers to give you an idea:

Sources: Ois en CBS

JeroenvdLogt commented 8 years ago

20151104_163853 1 I discussed this point within Alliander and with Dennis on the phone. For the short period is okay to only use good guesses of cost of gasconnection and gastransport per house.

According to the tariff experts at Alliander Regulering the connection tarriffs and transport tarrifs are a good representation of the average cost for gas infrastructure & connection. Local situtations can differ (a lot). In dicussion with Dennis we agreed to set the default cost for now on the tariffs and let the user be free to change the number. At monday we will discuss how the gasinfrastructure can be modelled in more detail.

According to internal experts there is a great anology to electricty infrastructure. There is extra high pressure (GTS), high pressure (DSO) and low pressure (DSO). I will allready do effort to collect the required data ("boekwaardes", "material cost" "maintenance cost"). The only difference is that compression of low pressure to high pressure at (GOS: gas ontvangst station) is not incorperated in the infrastructure yet. This means that surpluses at low pressure can not be transported to other regions. Technically there are solutions for this but these cost money.

So to conclude I will give the tarrifs in a seperate comment and will put effort in getting data about other cost parameters. Monday we can discuss this point.

JeroenvdLogt commented 8 years ago

Tarriffs --> average cost: to realize a new gasconnection aansluit tarieven gas

https://www.liander.nl/consument/aansluitingen/tarieven/?ref=8323

JeroenvdLogt commented 8 years ago

Tarrifs-->average cost: to remove olde gasconnection tarieven verwijderen gasaansluiting

https://www.liander.nl/consument/aansluitingen/tarieven/?ref=8452

JeroenvdLogt commented 8 years ago

Tarrifs-->average cost: to (dis)connect to main pipe in street. in-uitbedrijfstelling gas

https://www.liander.nl/sites/default/files/Tarieven_IBS_en_UBS_gas_2015.pdf

JeroenvdLogt commented 8 years ago

Tarriffs --> average daily and annual cost to enable gastransport (systemcost or also called cost for infrastructure)

"Periodieke tarieven De totale periodieke netwerkkosten noemen we ook wel het capaciteitstarief. Dit is de som van

De afzonderlijke periodieke tarieven voor de aansluiting.

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https://www.liander.nl/consument/aansluitingen/tarieven/?ref=8470

JeroenvdLogt commented 8 years ago

Is this usefull information for now @ChaelKruip?

ChaelKruip commented 8 years ago

Is this usefull information for now @ChaelKruip?

Yes. Thanks a lot!

One other point that came up in recent discussion with John Kerkhoven is the cost of 'reviving' old infrastructure using a coating or by fitting a new hose inside the existing pipes. Do you have any ideas on what costs are relevant for such operations?

JeroenvdLogt commented 8 years ago

I found this text in the (kwaliteits- en capaciteitsdocument) from Enexis for now. I wel continue further research.

https://www.enexis.nl/Documents/kwaliteit-en-capaciteit/enexis-kwaliteit-en-capaciteit-gas-2014-2023-deel-a.pdf + https://www.alliander.com/sites/default/files/Overzicht_innovaties_duurzaamheid_Liander_2013_tcm300-255657.pdf

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JeroenvdLogt commented 8 years ago

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ChaelKruip commented 8 years ago

@JeroenvdLogt can you add all relevant information in this ticket to the documentation? Than we can close this issue.

jorisberkhout commented 8 years ago

The documentation on the gas infrastructure has been moved to https://github.com/quintel/etmoses/wiki/gas-infrastructure.

Linking to https://github.com/quintel/etmoses/issues/893.

ChaelKruip commented 8 years ago

@jorisberkhout can you give this a push in the right direction?

jorisberkhout commented 8 years ago

I believe this issue has been superseded by https://github.com/quintel/etmoses/issues/1112 and https://github.com/quintel/etmoses/issues/1191. Also the gas network documentation was given a push in the right direction by @ChaelKruip and me.

Closing this issue.