quintel / merit

A system for calculating hourly electricity and heat loads with a merit order
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Create a readme for interested external experts to refer to? #57

Closed AlexanderWirtz closed 11 years ago

AlexanderWirtz commented 11 years ago

Merit Order is too complex to explain properly in pop-ups. Let's create a wiki item or further reading in merit to link to. I assume I am not the only one who wants this, but cannot find a ticket for it elsewhere.

wmeyers commented 11 years ago

There already is one: http://wiki.et-model.com/index.php/Merit_order

I think it could be better though. It explains how it works, but not how to interpret the results, which I think the user is interested in in the end.

wmeyers commented 11 years ago

From etmodel issue:

We should have an explanation of some of the common things people might see when they have the merit order module turned on. The start of a list:

  1. When there are too many plants it becomes very hard for any one to make a profit
  2. One small plant that produces only a little bit of electricity can keep a whole bunch of other plants from making a profit
  3. Please add :- )
dennisquintel commented 11 years ago

Since Merit is a private repository, this information should be included in the Wiki. Assigning @AlexanderWirtz.

AlexanderWirtz commented 11 years ago

Thanks @wmeyers and @dennisschoenmakers The issue then is that the wiki entry is not referred to and not complete. The examples @wmeyers wants should be there

ChaelKruip commented 11 years ago

The examples @wmeyers wants should be there

In principle I concur. A section that explains the behavior of profitability calculation in some didactically interesting cases is useful. The two examples by @wmeyers are not completely clear to me yet, however:

  1. When there are too many plants it becomes very hard for any one to make a profit

Do you mean the the installed capacity is much more than needed to satisfy demand? In that case: yes! (because the FLH per plant become very low)...

  1. One small plant that produces only a little bit of electricity can keep a whole bunch of other plants from making a profit

@wmeyers can you formulate this more precisely? I don't understand what you mean, and I can come up with several situations that show the opposite of this statement. For example, a gas-turbine with few FLHs actually increases the profitability of all other plants because it has high marginal costs.

wmeyers commented 11 years ago

@ChaelKruip your questions just show my marginal understanding of the whole module!

Do you mean the the installed capacity is much more than needed to satisfy demand? In that case: yes! (because the FLH per plant become very low)...

Yes, and this is not always shown in the profitability table, see quintel/etmodel#1197 steps 4-7, FLH stays the same but profitability goes up. Or am I missing something else there?

@wmeyers can you formulate this more precisely? I don't understand what you mean, and I can come up with several situations that show the opposite of this statement. For example, a gas-turbine with few FLHs actually increases the profitability of all other plants because it has high marginal costs.

See my example with nuclear here: quintel/etmodel#1194 steps 4 and 5. When Nuclear is still there in step 4 profitability is super low, when you remove that plant suddenly profitability goes way up.

The fact that it can give different results depending on marginal costs is exactly what makes it puzzling, so I think these would be good examples to add in the documentation! :-)

dennisquintel commented 11 years ago

All right guys, thanks for your points. Let's call a meeting together after the deploy to discuss what and how we can do to improve the general understanding of the model for users, since this is sometimes pretty difficult to comprehend.

wmeyers commented 11 years ago

Just to make sure: put on hold and reopened

Richard-Deuchler commented 11 years ago

Some thoughts after reading this ticket:

ChaelKruip commented 11 years ago

I have started a new wiki entry for the second incarnation of the MO. This needs to be extended and completed but I want to make you aware of its existence.

ChaelKruip commented 11 years ago

I have extended and improved wiki entry mentioned above. TODO:

Assigning to @Richard-Deuchler

ChaelKruip commented 11 years ago

@Richard-Deuchler perhaps the example in this ticket can serve as a start...

Richard-Deuchler commented 11 years ago

http://wiki.quintel.com/index.php/Merit_order_Part_Two is revised. Assigning back to @ChaelKruip

ChaelKruip commented 11 years ago

Replaced the content of http://wiki.quintel.com/index.php/Merit_order with that of http://wiki.quintel.com/index.php/Merit_order_Part_Two. Now the ETM links to the updated info. Closing.