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[hebrew/block] final pe does take dagesh in one Biblical word #155

Closed bdenckla closed 1 year ago

bdenckla commented 1 year ago

[source] https://r12a.github.io/scripts/hebrew/block

This page claims:

There is no final variant form for [pe] letter when used to represent [the sound] p, the regular form is always used, eg. compare the last example [שׁוֹפּ] with [שׁוּף]

Final pe does take dagesh in one Biblical word, תּ֥וֹסְףְּ, part of the maqaf compound אַל־תּ֥וֹסְףְּ in Proverbs 30:6 (משלי ל,ו).

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I am not sure whether there are any exceptions in modern Hebrew, but I feel it would be better to either specifically cite this example, or soften your claim.

r12a commented 1 year ago

Added a note:

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bdenckla commented 1 year ago

Great. Biblical nerds like me will rejoice.

bdenckla commented 1 year ago

Also, I have some suspicion that the need to a represent final p sound (as opposed to a final f sound) is mainly or solely in words of foreign origin. I.e. I have some suspicion that your "shop" example is actually the English word "shop", not a Hebrew word. I also just ran across this, in The Routledge Introductory Course in Modern Hebrew:

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So, okay, that's how words of foreign origin with a final p sound are written, but are there words of non-foreign origin that have a final p sound? And if so, how are they written?