Closed MinjieHu closed 3 years ago
Hi Minjie,
so I assume that you already have a couple of FISH images for a number of markers, that are spatially informative, and that their overall shape is quite similar. The more you have the better, but novoSpaRc can also deal with a small number to begin with. The first step would be to digitize those images. I don't know how they look like, but you can try to read them digitally and try to create a reference atlas from them. Therefore, for every image, you need to read it digitally and somehow annotate where the expression is ON and where OFF. Binary is okay for start, later you can introduce gradients if you need. Also, that would be your target space that you will map your cells onto.
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Hope this helps, Nikos
Hi Nikos,
Thanks for the quick respond. It indeed help! However, as I haven't never dealt with images, I probably need more help.
Minjie
Hi Minjie, I had (or have) similar troubles. I think, NovoSpaRc is based on the bdntp drosophila project, there was a website, but its since a couple of month not longer supported. But most of how they build their reference atlas is depicted in these two papers
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2008.01.053 http://genomebiology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/gb-2006-7-12-r123
This is a very sophisticated way to gather spatial information and requires quite some imaging and image analysis efforts.
I am trying right now to design a 3D digital model of my target and then transferring manually, based on proportions the spatial information I gain from ISH onto it. With that I basically undergo a reduction of the shape variation. But if someone has a better Idea I am curious to know what that would be.
Hi Malte,
Thanks so much for sharing this information. I will take a close look.
Hi,
I am wondering, if there is a way to build a reference atlas with ISH/FISH images and still allow it to be 'wrong' in a sense. I have the issue, that if I cover my target space with insitu information and the sum of cells that express these genes is not equal to the number of cells in my DGE than I seemingly suppress cells, that are not expressing these marker genes. Hence, the amount bins/cells I tag as expression on is greater, than the amount of cells that are actually positiv in their expression in the DGE. I have strongly differentiable domains (similar to the gap genes of drosophila) but some already further differentiated cells are in between. If I cover my target with all this 'gap' genes, then these cells are not placed in a salt and pepper pattern like I would expect, but are more or less non-existent. Reducing alpha linear to values like ~0.1 does not make a big difference. Is there a way to solve this?
Hi @MinjieHu and @MalteMederacke
we're in the process of updating our tutorials and package to facilitate the construction of reference atlases, so more to come on this in the near future.
Regarding having FISH images and allowing to be "wrong", the different cellular numbers shouldn't matter. For instance, if you have a target space (and a reference atlas) with, say, 10,000 locations and gene1 being expressed in 5,000, but only 1,000 of your cells in the scRNAseq dataset express this gene, novoSpaRc will still map them onto all 5,000 locations. Same is true the other way around, if the reference atlas for that gene would have only 500 locations, then only those will be filled by the 1,000 cells.
The key behind this is that novoSpaRc can map one-to-many and many-to-one, so only the relative expression in the reference atlas is relevant, not the absolute numbers.
Hi, I have similar troubles. I really want to know how to construct the reference atlas similar to "dge.txt" in detail.
Hi, novosparc group,
Thanks for developing such a great package!
I am currently working with a new organism and we have already done the scRNA-seq and developed the whole mount in-situ hybridization protocol. So I want to apply the novosparc analysis into this new organism. I have went through the tutorial and document, but still can't figure out how to generate the space information for the reference genes based on in situ results. Could you give me some instruction or point me to where I can find this information?
Thanks for the help!
Minjie