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9 years ago I can't reproduce this (yet).Original comment by sami%mir...@gtempaccount.com on 25 Jan 2011 at 5:37
GoogleCodeExporter
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9 years ago There were no changes in keyboard handling for many months, there are zero
differences between .12 and .13.
Also, works as it should here, problem cannot be reproduced.
Original comment by silverci...@gmail.com on 25 Jan 2011 at 5:55
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9 years ago To add a comment to this.
Using Ctrl-Shift to change the input language is a very bad idea. This keyboard
shortcut is used by the richedit control for other purposes (changing text
direction mainly). See what happens when you use the default (left Alt + left
Shift key) for changing the layout. You can set this in keyboard options in
Windows.
Original comment by silverci...@gmail.com on 25 Jan 2011 at 6:01
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9 years ago Have been using Ctrl+Shift for layout switching for years (7-8?) and it was
perfectly working 'til today. Today I updated Miranda to 0.9.15 (from 0.9.12)
and I started experiencing this right after that. Not a single issue in any
other software, even in Miranda until I updated.
It happens also when I use the mouse and the language bar menu to switch
layouts. It seems like some incompatibility with another software causes the
new version to act like that.
I use Miranda for ICQ and GTalk only.Original comment by teo...@gmail.com on 25 Jan 2011 at 7:04
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9 years ago Well, since I cannot reproduce the issue here (I have 8 different keyboard
layouts installed for testing, including RTL layouts), I cannot tell you where
the problem is.
In fact, I tried to change the shortcut from Alt-Shift to Ctrl-Shift, and still
everything works (except when using a RTL keyboard layout, then Ctrl-Shift will
be intercepted for changing writing direction - but that's normal behavior and
will not affect the language bar).Original comment by silverci...@gmail.com on 25 Jan 2011 at 7:12
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9 years ago Maybe the fact that I installed 0.9.15 on top of my existing 0.9.12
installation has something to do with the issue. Everything was working
perfectly until I updated. I created a brand new profile, still the issue. I
tried to revert to 0.9.12 after uninstalling 0.9.15, but I had no luck in
making Miranda to see the "old" and working tabSRMM plugin version. I guess
there is something written in the registry by the newer version not allowing it
to see the plugin it used to work with for months before.
I'm stuck for now. But I'll keep searching for a solution, or I'll have to live
without this critical for me functionality of remembering the layouts per
contact.Original comment by teo...@gmail.com on 25 Jan 2011 at 11:34
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9 years ago I conducted an experiment in VMWare, again Win7 Enterprise, existing Miranda
0.8.x with no tabsrmm.
I uninstalled it, then installed 0.9.15, and the newest tabsrmm. It immediately
acted the same (I forgot to mention) - installed some temporary (I guess) nasty
Typewriter Bulgarian layout, which I never installed manually, nor I see in
Regional Settings?! What is going on? To get rid of this Typewriter layout
which I never wanted, I had to manually Add it through Regional Settings,
Apply, then Remove it. Then, in VMWare Miranda acted normally, remembers layout
per contact as it should. i guess this Typewriter that gets added by tabsrmm
(tested on multiple Win7 virtual system) gets in the way of something else on
my real system. Not sure what, but 0.9.12 was working like a charm until today.Original comment by teo...@gmail.com on 26 Jan 2011 at 12:04
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9 years ago TabSRMM does not add any keyboard layouts. In fact, it cannot.Original comment by silverci...@gmail.com on 26 Jan 2011 at 12:10
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9 years ago I guess so.
I'm trying to say that there is some incompatibility with Windows 7.
Tried on several equally clean Windows 7 installations. After starting Miranda
for the first time, the language icon in the taskbar adds an keyboard icon next
to it when I switch to non-english layout, indicating the two layouts
(typewriter and Phonetic in my case). English remains with a single layout. In
control panel the additional Typewriter is not in list, which is the strange
thing.
In the real system all kind of strange language things happen, including not
being able to write in English to many contacts, after few minutes of switching
layouts (for testing).
Everything else on system works perfectly. On all of them installing 0.9.15
with the latest tabsrmm causes this typewriter second layout to add, but not
visible in control panel. Clearly a bug, too bad we cannot reproduce the
conditions as it seems.
Windows 7 x64 Enterprise.Original comment by teo...@gmail.com on 26 Jan 2011 at 12:34
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9 years ago That is because extra layout got stored in one of the contacts. You need to
clean it out then everything will back to normal.Original comment by borkra on 26 Jan 2011 at 2:39
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9 years ago borkra, how might this happen eventually? I have never used such layout, and it
appears even when I create a new profile. Maybe got stored somehow in the
server's list? How do I "clean it out"?
Once I cycle this layout (add it and remove) that is fixed at least. Then after
few switches, I write in english but the indicator stays in BG most of the
time. Then I cannot write in engslish anymore. It seems Miranda or the plugin
has hard time switching back to English, or the second language (BG in my case)
gets stored deeply somewhere. No ideas yet, tried Alt+Shift already, nothing to
do with it..
Thanks for posting.Original comment by teo...@gmail.com on 26 Jan 2011 at 9:05
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9 years ago Sorry for posting twice, I think the attached screen talks for itself.
A virtual machine with just a few softwares installed.
Clearly a new (temporary) language layout, after restart it disappears.
This layout appears for the first time, after I start miranda and try to switch
to BG.Original comment by teo...@gmail.com on 26 Jan 2011 at 9:53
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9 years ago 
Well, even after installing bulgarian keyboard layout, the issue is not
reproducible. I also do not get the typewriter layout installed.
Just an idea: Try to change the setting "Automatic keyboard layout: Do not load
system default for new contacts". While this option was added for a very
specific case on request by a user who uses dvorak keyboards, it might play
some role.Original comment by silverci...@gmail.com on 26 Jan 2011 at 10:43
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9 years ago Thanks again for posting on the issue.
I've gone through eery possible option I could find in Options. Including this
one.
It seems to not affect the situation at all.
This seems to be some incompatibility with something else, but in VMs I don't
have anything special. Maybe the previous presence of an older version. I was
using (in the real system) 0.9.12 + tabsrmm 3.0.2 I think.
Now even if I revert to 0.9.12 (after deleting the profile folder from 0.9.15)
and put the older tabsrmm (and its icons) that used to work, Miranda doesn't
even see (load) the plugin at start. Do tabsrmm (or Miranda) store something
somewhere, or in the registry that might prevent this to happen?Original comment by teo...@gmail.com on 26 Jan 2011 at 10:58
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9 years ago An update to the issue.
After lots of experiments in virtual machines, in different Windows accounts, I
came up with a solution - after restarting the machine Twice, the problem went
away. I use the Administrator account 24/7 with months of uptime and I take a
big care of my machine, even though using Administrator is not much in line
with that.
I started using Facebook and Yahoo with Miranda (totalling 4 protocols). Again,
if I open a contact from a new protocol, and switch to BG, this darn Typewriter
pops up and I have to manually add and remove it to disappear.
But I'm happy now, at least it remembers and switches per contact as it should.
I've never imagined updating something like Miranda would require me to restart
the machine (twice) to restore full functionality. Probably not a Miranda issue
anyway, but worth noting if others run into this.
Thanks again for being concerned with the problem. I love Miranda and tabSRMM.Original comment by teo...@gmail.com on 28 Jan 2011 at 1:32
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9 years ago That's strange indeed.
For the record, I never really reboot my machines either (except when doing
system updates) but use hibernate/hybrid sleep, so my real uptimes are usually
measured in weeks, if not months.
I've noticed one oddity with the language bar and keyboard layouts in Windows 7
and this has something to do with the ctfmon.exe process - if this process
isn't running, the language bar will start to act strangely and for some reason
I've seen this process disappearing with no apparent reason (no crash report,
nothing else to be found in the system event log). It is possible to manually
restart it using Win+R but this is of course a crude workaround (most users
will never know how to solve the problem when the language bar starts to act
up).
According to MS, the process is necessary to monitor the active application for
interaction with the language bar and also provides extended text input
services. I think, it's required when you use multiple keyboard layouts and it
should start automatically when the system needs it. But maybe it doesn't
always or there are other glitches.
Original comment by silverci...@gmail.com on 28 Jan 2011 at 1:54
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9 years ago Actually as far as I can tell, I think I've never seen this process in my
Windows 7 installation (2 months old) and I have a Task manager often on my
desktop. I have a Office 2010, Adobe, Corel installed, they could have
something to do also.
Now, the process is still missing, but no problem with Miranda anymore.
Worth noting I never experienced problems with languages etc. Maybe ctfmon is a
legacy component..
Hm, it seems ctfmon is closely related to MS Office, even though I don't see
the process even after I start Word. MS talks about it in the context of some
older Office versions, and they say if you remove it, only Office applications
would fail in language specific functions..Original comment by teo...@gmail.com on 28 Jan 2011 at 2:42
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9 years ago The conflicting software is revealed!
Right after I start Photoshop CS4 (64 bit) for the first time, Miranda
(tabSRMM) starts its weird messing up with the keyboard layouts.
What could possibly Photoshop CS4 have something to do with tabSRMM's
misbehaviors with the layouts, it remains a mistery and the only solution seems
impossible - upgrading to CS5 which has a serious bug that we few friends were
fighting on different machines while trying it last month.
Still I think it's a bug in tabSRMM because other software that remember
layouts per tab (IE8 etc.) is not failing.
If this could be helpful, the Bulgarian (Typewriter) layout is the first in the
registry, maybe enumerating the active non-english layouts is faulty?Original comment by teo...@gmail.com on 29 Jan 2011 at 8:49
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9 years ago Well, maybe, but TabSRMM does not enumerate anything from the registry - the
keyboard layout stuff is based on windows messages received by the richedit
control when the user changes the keyboard layout. The only thing that might be
able to confuse it are message hooks installed by other applications which also
play with keyboard layouts. There are known conflicts with some transliteration
software (for example, punto switcher) which cannot be resolved easily, because
both applications will "fight" to set or change the keyboard layout eventually.
Other than that, I don't know of any conflicts.
I doubt that I'll be able to fix this issue without being able to reproduce it
and I do not have the time for long investigations right now.
And yes, I have CS4 (64bit) installed and used it quite frequently. Never seen
any issue with keyboard layouts though.
Original comment by silverci...@gmail.com on 29 Jan 2011 at 11:34
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9 years ago I see. It's reproducible for me on three Win7 machines (and virtual), some are
cleanly installed, CS4, and miranda. As long as I don't start PS CS4, it
remembers the layouts. I open 2 tabs, one in Bg, the other is EN.
I start PS for the first time. Right after that, I go to the tab which is in
BG, then switch to the other tab - the indicator next to the tray still shows
BG but I type in English. This is the start phase of the problems if I continue
the use of Miranda for the current session. If I remember correctly, when I had
CS5 for some time to try it, I don't remember to have had such issues but I
might be wrong.
It seems PS is doing something to the current Windows session to confuse
tabSRMM because even after I close PS, the problem persists until I logoff or
restart.
And these are clean machines, no third party keyboard manipulation or such
software installed. At the same time IE8 works perfectly at remembering and
seting layouts per tabs.. Weird. I'll dig some more into this. Any ideas to
debug this on my own would be appreciated. Maybe some monitoring of the
WMessages, API calls...Original comment by teo...@gmail.com on 29 Jan 2011 at 11:56
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9 years ago @silverci...., I don't really understand, how's that you cannot see the problem?
I tested/installed several virtual Win7 Pro/Ent x64, clean as the rain in the
morning, installed the master collection CS4, on another I installed standalone
PS CS4's, all kind of experiments in clean environments, from different
sources, on all of them the problem is clearly present. It's all about that if
you see it, you might get an idea of what could be possibly wrong, as the
developer of tabSRMM.
Just tried master collection CS5 on a new Win7, guess - the same problem exists.
Not sure what I would do from now on :( .Original comment by teo...@gmail.com on 30 Jan 2011 at 2:45
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9 years ago Well, fact is I do not see the problem on my own machine (I only have one with
Photoshop installed) and therefore cannot investigate it further. Maybe it is
one of Adobe's additional services that come with the suite (which I do not
need and therefore didn't install - I only have a plain Photoshop CS4).
It should for now be filed as a known issue - I don't really have time for
experiments with different configurations or VM's. Apparently there IS a
compatibility problem with the CS suite and my guess it that something prevents
TabSRMM from seeing the necessary window notification messages OR something
prevents the plugin from changing the keyboard layout though I have no idea,
really. Original comment by silverci...@gmail.com on 30 Jan 2011 at 3:26
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9 years ago silver, thanks for taking the time to respond.
Yes, it seems like a compatibility issue. I have a friend with Server 2008 R2
x64, plain PS CS4 also, and Miranda+tabsrmm+2 other plugins. He experiences the
same problem. I tried disabling most of the plain photoshop's services etc. to
no avail.
For now the workaround is to disable remembering and seting the layout
automatically per tab.
And since it became apparent after I updated to the miranda and tabsrmm version
dated 20 or 21 January 2011, I guess more users will see this, so filling it as
a known issue may help resolving it, even if some PS workaround would be
involved. I'll post if I find a solition.Original comment by teo...@gmail.com on 30 Jan 2011 at 4:06
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9 years ago This started happening to me a few days ago (about the same time I updated to
0.9.30). After I turned "Remember and set keyboard layout for contact" off it
seems to be fixed. I am using Windows 7 x64, tabSRMM 3.0.22. I've got no
products from Adobe CS however.Original comment by merith.f...@gmail.com on 20 Sep 2011 at 11:38
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9 years ago This can't be real.
Still it seems the issue is plaguing with me, even with the latest versions of
Miranda and the plugin. Totally new installation, with Master Collection CS4
and Miranda. Tested with CS5 as well, the same.
As soon as I start Photoshop for the first time, tabSRMM's
keyboard_remember_switching between open tabs is totally messed up, until I
restart the machine.
All other programs that are able to remember keyaobard between tabs (e.g. IE9)
are working fine all the time.
This is a real PITA as I'm communicating with people from around the world and
from home country. From time to time I check if it was fixed.
Silver, please, could you take some time to investigate this? It's only tabSRMM
that fails miserably, whereas other programs have no problems with keyboard.
Anyway, if you cannot reproduce, I guess we'll have to live with this bug for
ever :( , as leaving Photoshop (or any other master collection app) is not an
option either.Original comment by teo...@gmail.com on 19 May 2012 at 12:34
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9 years ago Well, basically, I've finished working on TabSRMM (and all other
Miranda-related stuff) quite a while ago, due to a lack of time and lost
interest.
I would continue to support TabSRMM by fixing major bugs, but this one doesn't
qualify. First, I cannot reproduce it (never was able to) and second,
investigating the issue without being able to reproduce it will most likely be
very time consuming - time I do not have. Sorry, but I'm afraid it will stay as
it is unless someone else would come up with a fix.
It also appears that no one else is seeing this issue (comment #24 is most
likely just random noise as it's totally unrelated to the Adobe CS issue).
Original comment by silverci...@gmail.com on 19 May 2012 at 12:44
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9 years ago Thanks for the fast response.
That's unfortunate. I understand you though.
tabSRMM is one of the few main reasons I use Miranda in the first place. If it
stops working after some Miranda release, I'd certainly quit Miranda. Even with
this bug it is my preferable IM. Maybe it's something in the master collection
itself. Certainly I have spoken with acquaintances and friends, I'm not the
only one experiencing this, I just reported it here. Mostly they didn't even
know about this option, or are using IMs mostly for one language.
I've been using it that way for a year, I'll get used to it for the time ahead
I suppose, just like when I wasn't using such an option.Original comment by teo...@gmail.com on 19 May 2012 at 7:16
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