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Establish maximum mentor-to-student ratio for individual projects #58

Open aeksco opened 6 years ago

aeksco commented 6 years ago

Description of Issue: We can't have one mentor managing 10 students on a single project. It makes small group meetings incredibly difficult to manage and students in need of help can't get sufficient attention.

Proposed Solution: We establish a maximum mentor-to-student ratio for individual projects. I propose 1 mentor to 5 students as the maximum allowed ratio without specific permission.

@AdrianCollado @wdturner @Bad-Science @kburk1997 Thoughts?

kburk1997 commented 6 years ago

@Bad-Science and I were in a small group with mentors mainly from YACS, and this definitely made it difficult for us to keep an eye on other projects. The only potential issue I see is that some projects are going to be larger than others and will have more mentors. A potential solution could be splitting up some of the students on larger projects into the later small group, but that might not work out very well unless there are regular project meetings.

aeksco commented 6 years ago

Yeah it's tough - I think maintaining good communication with everyone in small group is essential, and it's undeniable that large single-project teams disrupt that balance.

I think we should set a threshold that teams of 8 students or more must be split between two different small groups. A team of 7 or fewer could be in a single small group - but any team larger than 8 people must be split up.

Ideally I think we should try to maintain a maximum student-mentor ratio of 4-to-1. This aligns with the threshold above. I.e. a team of eight would require two mentors, so the team would be split into two small groups with one mentor for each. I think this should be a requirement with exceptions granted on a per-case basis.

@kburk1997 @Bad-Science I think this is a good solution. I'm happy to document this and put a pin in it for now. Thoughts?

kburk1997 commented 6 years ago

Looks like I'm the only returning YACS mentor this semester unless Ada can mentor externally, so if we split up YACS I'll have to do a lot more work outside of small group. It ended up working out somewhat in Fall 2017 when I had to take ECSE seminar, so I'm willing to give it a shot, especially since as a returning mentor I can float around some days

aeksco commented 6 years ago

@kburk1997 Is there any way to trim the YACS team size to be more manageable? How many students look like they're going to be working on it?

kburk1997 commented 6 years ago

What's worked for us is splitting us up into subteams (backend, frontend, admin). However, in order for this to work the team needs to meet separately outside of RCOS regularly.

wdturner commented 6 years ago

Let's put a pin in this until week 2. I believe that Ada intends to mentor, which would help greatly and we may find that the sub-teams are smaller this year then last, or maybe we can coerce/develop some more mentors.

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aeksco commented 6 years ago

Varun, @kburk1997 and I have discussed - if a team is split, it is highly recommended the team as a whole finds opportunities to meet outside of large/small group during the semester to maintain a good collaboration. For large projects the mentors are responsible for coordinating these outside meetings.

aeksco commented 6 years ago

Added backlog label as per @wdturner's recommendation to put a pin in this until week 2

Bad-Science commented 6 years ago

Following up on the mentions here:

Yes, I will be externally mentoring, and after reflecting on things from last year, I think a mandatory outside of rcos meeting is needed for yacs. I'd like to be upfront about this with any potential for credit yacs members, that as part of their minimum commitment, they are required to attend an extra meeting, in person. If they are unable to commit to that then I don't think they should do yacs for credit. I think this will lighten the load on the mentors during small group, and make sure the students we have on yacs are engaged and committed. If there are any other projects that are big enough to split I'd say it's a good idea to have the same requirement.

wdturner commented 6 years ago

This may not be a bad thing to recommend for everyone. Your only communication during the week shouldn't be the small group meetings ...

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 2:55 PM Ada Young notifications@github.com wrote:

Following up on the mentions here:

Yes, I will be externally mentoring, and after reflecting on things from last year, I think a mandatory outside of rcos meeting is needed for yacs. I'd like to be upfront about this with any potential for credit yacs members, that as part of their minimum commitment, they are required to attend an extra meeting, in person. If they are unable to commit to that then I don't think they should do yacs for credit. I think this will lighten the load on the mentors during small group, and make sure the students we have on yacs are engaged and committed. If there are any other projects that are big enough to split I'd say it's a good idea to have the same requirement.

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Apexal commented 3 years ago

We might want to revisit this question for Spring 2021 onwards.

Apexal commented 2 years ago

Where has the time gone... This should be discussed for Spring 2022 since this semester (Fall 2021) there are many Small Groups with a handful of 1-2 person teams and then huge projects like OpenCircuits, ShuttleTracker, etc. and Mentors are few and far between.

Apexal commented 2 years ago

We started to discuss this in our Coordinator meeting and it can be postponed till Project Pairing time.