Open GoogleCodeExporter opened 8 years ago
Same for me :-/
After insmod the two modules (asix.ko & usbnet.ko) which appears to be loaded
(as I can see through dmesg) and executed the ifconfig command:
# insmod usbnet.ko
# insmod asix.ko
# ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.11 netmask 255.255.255.0 up (I understand that I have to type the same device name and IP I use for the NAS)
... no complains, but nothing happens, again the same network performance
(after copying to/from the NAS a large movie file) and no loss of connection on
the ssh session.
I ask you the same question that mdbovo asked, what model do you have? I guess
I have the same "wlxkj652" and the ethernet kernel module to be loaded is the
same, isn't?
Thanx in advance for your time.
David.
Original comment by DavidFL....@gmail.com
on 1 Dec 2010 at 5:48
Hi David,
I did not use the modules after my proof of concept was done. I compiled the
USB modules in to the kernel and disabled the STARnic device completely. I had
to change the startup scripts as they were not friendly towards the USB-Ether
device (Setting the MAC address)
Original comment by tuxbox.g...@gmail.com
on 2 Dec 2010 at 10:58
[deleted comment]
I'm not clear on this. Are you using a external usb wifi adapter or just the
original hardware with a different driver module? Just to confirm, I *did* read
all the comments on this issue. I guess you are not using the existing
hardware, but I want to confirm for sure before I try this.
Original comment by payte...@gmail.com
on 6 Dec 2010 at 1:25
I have found some tweaks to reduce the SAMBA freezing on wifi problem (I.E. Not
Fixed, But Better).
1. There have been discussions on issue 100 about this problem with one person
indicating they are not having this problem on wifi. It turns out they are
using a newer 802.11n router. So that got me thinking that maybe my existing
802.11g router may be a piece of the puzzle. Using a wifi locating utility, I
discovered several other lans nearby. Most of them were on Channel 6, Some were
one 1, none were on any other channels. As I understand it of the 11 possible
channel choices, there really only 3 bands being around 1,6 and 11. So I moved
my channel selection away from the others to 11.
2. I also did some searching on Google and found that as you increase wireless
router power output, you may also increase noise output, and there is a point
where you can actually start to *degrade* your signal to noise ratio. So using
that wifi locating utility, I started reducing the power output until I saw the
signal level started to decline, Then moved it up one notch to be safe. I ended
up at 50% power output for my location.
3. Next I started comparing the Kernel network parameters on the NAS to my
existing Puppy Linux install on my notebooks. These are the differences that I
ran across:
Kernel Param. NAS Puppy Linux
/proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_ratelimit 100 1000
/proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_max_syn_backlog 128 1024 But I set it to 256
for now.
So I changed these two and it seems to have helped with how often and how long
the NAS freezes. icmp_ratelimit helps with data packet losses and I think
tcp_max_syn_backlog has something to do with the 3-way handshake between the
Client,Router and NAS.
I am sure the original developer probably received recommendations for these
settings based on the fact this NAS only has 32MB Ram. However after I made
these changes and cleared the cache out by:
sync; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
Top only shows <7MB total ram usage so I think I'm OK with these changes.
I also noticed these parameters were different but I did not really see any
further improvement changing them:
/proc/sys/net/ipv4/route/gc_thresh 512 16384
/proc/sys/net/ipv4/route/max_size 8192 65536
/proc/sys/net/ipv4/route/redirect_load 2 5
/proc/sys/net/ipv4/route/redirect_silence 2048 5120
But that maybe just my situation.
So my general theory here is wifi having it's weakness with packet loss,
interference etc and the NAS being not very powerful resource wise, sort of
chokes when it encounters the packet loss issues. And the newer routers
probably have better resources to deal with the wifi problems so they "present
less total issues" for the NAS to deal with. The fact that I have no problems
with wired transfers and only wireless transfers sort of confirms my theory.
Sorry for the long winded post, I wanted to give all the facts/info as I see
them at this moment.
Hope this helps...
Original comment by payte...@gmail.com
on 10 Dec 2010 at 1:37
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This issue makes the NS-K330 completely useless for me (and I suspect many
others).
Like others I have no problem when my laptop is connected to the router by wire.
When connected wirelessly it will never work longer than a minute or two.
I hope my observations will help ANY progress:
- which harddisk I used made no difference
- which formatting of the harddisk I used made no difference
- which firmware (original/snake/latest snake 1.3.2) made no difference
- switching off NTP made no difference
- when filetransfer seems to freeze the monitor tells me the NAS's activity is
not maxing out but zero.
I really hope the devellopers will take this issue seriously, even if the fix
might be outside of the firmware. We should have the people and the knowledge
to fix this mystery. I can't believe so many people have this issue (making the
whole NAS useless) and still no one was able to publish a solution. If I do
find the solution myself I will let you know.
Original comment by mail...@gmail.com
on 10 Jan 2011 at 10:51
I don't know what happened with the claims of tuxboxguru about an alternate
driver based on USB. Don't we have all the same hardware? The driver doesn't
work for me.
Original comment by mdb...@gmail.com
on 10 Jan 2011 at 11:34
Have the same file transfer problem, also find that I can only transfer a
maximum file size of around 2 megabytes at the one time either collectively or
as a single file before the transfer bombs out. It may have something to do
with the size of the memory on my wlx-652, as I had the same problem before
installing Snake OS and I have never had any such problems on this (wireless)
network if I download from a computer rather than the NAS. Not sure what could
cause this. Too little free memory perhaps? Paul.
Original comment by paulhy...@gmail.com
on 6 Feb 2011 at 12:50
WIFI Issues
I have the 650BT device with a 2TB drive installed and formatted NTFS.
My swap partition is on a thumb drive connected to the USB port on the 650BT.
4GB formatted EXT3
When my PC's were connected via G WIFI, I had these problems:
(I have two XP and one Win 7 computer connected via wireless G).
- During large file transfers (~200MB) either to NAS OR from NAS to computer.
File transfer just stops sometimes with explorer.exe crash. (All the desktop
icons disappear and then reappear).
- Frequently when just 'drilling' down through directory structures several
layers - Windows Explorer will also freeze and crash.
- When playing large MPG files stored on NAS to Windows media player. WMP will
stop playing and complain about lost connection or missing file etc.
- Also after failing file transfer Windows explorer.exe will sometimes halt and
reboot itself (both XP and 7).
- Have same issues using the NTFS drive AND when using the EXT3 thumb drive.
- Had the same issues with original firmware and latest Snake OS.
- The NAS (Snake OS) does not crash at all. Happily running before and after
with no problem when the above issues happen. My original firmware crashed and
I had to reboot the NAS but not sure if related.
When my laptop computer is connected to my router via hardwire CAT5 cable then
I DO NOT see any of the above problems.
I have now changed to a new router Linksys 400N and wireless N network.(Old
router was WRT54G) The problems seem to have mostly gone away when using the
higher speed N wireless. Problems still happen on my laptop with G wireless but
then computer is close enough to my router that I can easily connect via cat5
cable instead.
OK I have also notice the problem one time so far when using my N @ 5 GHz but
at the time there was low signal strength / throughput.
Note I have not done extensive testing yet using the N wireless.
Note That similar problems above are reported on many forums using various
commercial NAS devices as well but no one has specified what type of network
they are running, G or N or wired. Do a Web search: [explorer crash NAS] or
[WIFI crash NAS] etc.
Some report better results when changing from WPA2 to WEP.
Go here for a writeup on my 650BT NAS:
http://75.95.181.105:86/Comp/650BT/650BT.html
Original comment by klrick...@gmail.com
on 26 Feb 2011 at 2:55
If the StarNIC driver is a culprit, maybe we should look for alternative driver
?
Here are some links I found.
From what I understand, str8132 is an old name for CNS21XX.
I see the NIC driver for Linux is still developed:
https://github.com/dmarion/linux-2.6-cns21xx
There exists also a FreeBSD port for our NAS:
http://tinyhack.com/2010/07/06/cns21xx-port-completed/
Original comment by stanisl...@gmail.com
on 6 Mar 2011 at 12:46
I have an NS-K330 with the latest version of snakeos installed. I have the same
problem. On my network, I can SMB transfer 67.4MB before I get the timeout. A
hardwired connection works fine. I use an Airlink AR430W running gargoyle as my
router. two devices are connected with a 3 foot cat5e cable. I have a 1TB
"clickfree" drive on port A, formatted ext3, with full allowed permissions and
owned by root:root and a 2gig rally2 drive in port B as a swapfile.
The SMB transfer works fine over wired. Since the wireless and wired drivers
exist on the gargoyle router, I don't think its a hardware driver issue. It
seems to me it must be something in either the keep-alive of the hard-drive, or
something in the error/pause handling of the data stream.
Any ideas?
Original comment by rod.naugler@gmail.com
on 25 Mar 2011 at 7:06
In continuation to tuxbox.guru working solution that uses USB-to-Ethernet
adapter:
It's hard to find a non-asix decent adapter that is both faster than USB 1
(~1.5 mbyte/s) and has Linux driver for the old 2.6.16 kernel on which SnakeOS
is based.
How do you find ASIX adapter ? Just look for Wii-compatible USB-to-Ethernet
one. They are available for $10-$12 from eBay or DealExtreme.
----------------
Of course, the better solution is to try installing a newer StarNIC driver (as
found in LSDK 7.8.2, kernel 2.6.24. Currently SnakeOS is built with LSDK 6.8.2,
kernel 2.6.16) or using a re-written driver for the most recent kernel 2.6.3x
as found in OpenWRT, which still requires upgrading the SnakeOS kernel and
implies a lot of work.
Does anybody have a courage and time to investigate newer LSDK and/or OpenWRT
(or even FreeBSD that was ported to this NAS) ?
Original comment by stanisl...@gmail.com
on 30 Mar 2011 at 12:46
I bough ($7.69 on DealExtreme) a MOSCHIP 7832-based USB-Ethernet adapter,
back-ported it's driver (mcs7830) to 2.6.16 kernel on which SnakeOS is based,
and it also solves the wireless problem, and works rock stable. Even wired
access feels more responsive.
As you see not only ASIX-based adapter can solve the problem.
In the attached package you can find a mcs7830 driver, and also usbnet.sh
script that activates driver and configures network, and a modified script
etc\init.d\cron which runs the mentioned usbnet.sh on SnakeOS startup (but you
may do it where you want).
After copying these files into /etc you will need to save SnakeOS configuration
so the files will be restored after reboot.
How this works: SnakeOS starts using standard Ethernet port.
If the mcs7830 adapter is attached - it will be used and the built-in port will
be shut down. If the adapter is not detected - SnakeOS will work with the
built-in port.
So the script is totally safe.
Original comment by stanisl...@gmail.com
on 1 May 2011 at 8:57
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I don't understand how this works.
Where does the USB-Ethernet adapter go? Having USB harddisks, and a NAS NS-K330
with USB connections for storage, and an ethernet connection to connect the
router I just don't see it.
Sorry for my ignorance!
USB-Ethernet adapter: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.34691
NAS NS-K330: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.26320
Original comment by mail...@gmail.com
on 2 May 2011 at 7:39
[deleted comment]
[deleted comment]
[deleted comment]
[deleted comment]
NAS NS-K330 has 2 USB ports and the built-in Ethernet port.
You connect
- the USB hard disk to one of the two USB ports
- the USB-Ethernet adapter into the other USB port
then you should connect your Ethernet cable to the adapter's Ethernet port
instead of the built-in one in the NAS.
The built-in Ethernet port (or it's driver ? who knows) is faulty, that's why
we replace it with the USB-Ethernet adapter that really works and disable the
built-in Ethernet port.
Of course this solution is not relevant if you need both USB ports for storage,
but you may try to connect a USB hub to get enough USB ports.
Original comment by stanisl...@gmail.com
on 2 May 2011 at 10:00
Thanks for clearing that up.
What I still don't understand then is how the regular setup works fine when
connecting my laptop to the router by (ethernet) cable instead of wireless.
Because in that case the NAS performs fine while it is also connected to the
router via that same (original) ethernet port of the NAS.
Original comment by mail...@gmail.com
on 2 May 2011 at 10:13
Great to hear there is a fix for the wireless issue, although it's a shame it
requires more hardware and several weeks waiting. I wonder what the chances of
a patch/update being released that fixes the NAS itself...
Original comment by vew...@googlemail.com
on 3 May 2011 at 9:38
The problem seems to be in the ethernet port hardware. I don't think a patch
could solve the issue. At least this is what I undertood following this thread.
I ordered the USB adapter on DealExtreme too and I'll try the solution proposed
by stanisl...@gmail.com as soon as I'll receive it. Thanks for the great job!
Original comment by enrico.b...@gmail.com
on 3 May 2011 at 12:41
How does the ethernet connection of the NAS to the router fail when a laptop is
connected wirelessly to that router, but not when that laptop is connected to
the router by ethernet?
Hard to believe a hardware problem could cause that selective behavior...
Original comment by mail...@gmail.com
on 3 May 2011 at 5:32
Believe it or not, this works for tuxbox.guru (the clever guy who invented this
solution) and his ASIX-based USB-Ethernet adapter, and it works for me and my
MOSCHIP 7832-based USB-Ethernet adapter.
As for "how can it be" - maybe wireless connection leads to substantial packet
loss and their retransmission, which usually doesn't happen in wired
connections ? And the built-in StarNIC Ethernet port (or it's driver) are just
buggy in case of numerous packets loss ? It's just a guess, but it sure can be
the case.
As I wrote before, there is a chance this issue can be also solved by fixing
the StarNIC driver. There exist 3 newer drivers - one comes with LSDK 7.8.2
(based on kernel 2.6.24), other was totally rewritten for OpenWRT, and the
third is the part of FreeBSD port. Back-porting them to SnakeOS (based on LSDK
6.8.2, kernel 2.6.16) is either impossible or requires total rewriting of
SnakeOS. After spending days and weeks in attempts to install newer StarNIC
driver, I decided I have not enough time and knowledge to finish this task and
decided to go with tuxbox.guru's solution, but with a cheaper Ethernet adapter.
But if you feel you can take up a challenge, you may try yourself installing on
the NAS the FreeBSD distributive, or fix the currently broken OpenWRT code, or
port SnakeOS from LSDK 6.8.2 to 7.8.2, or even backport their StarNIC drivers
back to kernel 2.6.16.
Original comment by stanisl...@gmail.com
on 3 May 2011 at 7:12
[deleted comment]
[deleted comment]
Everybody confirms this is the real deal?
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-2-0-10-100mbps-rj45-lan-ethernet-network-adapte
r-dongle-34691
Original comment by gfernan...@gmail.com
on 11 May 2011 at 1:14
gfernandes, I use exactly this adapter you linked to.
Original comment by stanisl...@gmail.com
on 13 May 2011 at 12:06
So I purchased the usb adapter (
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-2-0-10-100mbps-rj45-lan-ethernet-network-adapte
r-dongle-34691 ), copied across the files uploaded by stanisl (after changing
the ip address to something suitable for my network), saved the config and
restarted. Unfortunately the usb interface is not detected, and the network
port on the NAS is active instead.
Any ideas for what might be going wrong, or how to diagnose the problem? Cheers.
Original comment by vew...@googlemail.com
on 18 May 2011 at 10:38
[deleted comment]
Hi all,
Can someone of the experts on this issue make a step by step manual of the
solution?, I think this is a relevant issue in order to be able to take the
most of our NAS.
I am not a Linux expert (as many of us I think), so it would be nice if someone
can tell us the final steps followed and the software/drivers/file
modifications/hardware needed, for example, I assume that you communicate with
the NAS through telnet, but I don't know how to do that, where do I put the
files (necessary drivers and stuff)?, In the local hard drive?.
Can this modifications be included in the next SnakeOS release?
For all your help, thanks in advance.
Best regards.
Original comment by shanem...@gmail.com
on 18 May 2011 at 10:12
[deleted comment]
Any suggestions for my problem two posts above?
After some more fiddling around I think the problem is the NAS doesn't detect
the usb adapter properly (it does work on windows, and comes up as a MosChip
device in device manager). My kernel version is 2.6.16.
I also manually ran the script removing the check on the device being attached,
but all I got was the message: ': unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
----------------------------------------------
The parts from the log relating to USB are:
# /bin/dmesg |grep "USB"
str8100-ehci str8100-ehci: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1
str8100-ehci str8100-ehci: USB 0.0 started, EHCI 1.00, driver 10 Dec 2004
hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found
ohci_hcd: 2005 April 22 USB 1.1 'Open' Host Controller (OHCI) Driver (STR8100)
str8100-ohci str8100-ohci: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2
hub 2-0:1.0: USB hub found
ohci_hcd: 2005 April 22 USB 1.1 'Open' Host Controller (OHCI) Driver (PCI)
usb 1-1: new high speed USB device using str8100-ehci and address 2
usb 1-2: new high speed USB device using str8100-ehci and address 3
drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: v0.13: USB Printer Device Class driver
Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
USB Mass Storage support registered.
and
# /bin/dmesg |grep "usb"
usbcore: registered new driver usbfs
usbcore: registered new driver hub
usb usb1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
usb usb2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
usb 1-1: new high speed USB device using str8100-ehci and address 2
usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
usb 1-2: new high speed USB device using str8100-ehci and address 3
usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
usbcore: registered new driver usblp
drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: v0.13: USB Printer Device Class driver
usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage
usb-storage: device found at 3
usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
usb-storage: device scan complete
Adding 262136k swap on /usb/sda1/swapfile. Priority:-1 extents:224
across:87925952k
Original comment by vew...@googlemail.com
on 22 May 2011 at 2:59
vewdon, it seems you have some hardware problem, because the USB-net adapter
should appear twice in the dmesg - once when detected as new hardware attached,
and the other time when the .ko driver is loaded. I will post here these lines
from the log later.
Can you open the adapter and check the chip used ?
Do you have some other usbnet.ko module on your system ?
What happens if you disable usbnet.sh from being auto-started and then run
manually 2 insmod commands from it ?
Original comment by stanisl...@gmail.com
on 22 May 2011 at 7:52
vewdon, you should see the following in the dmesg after 2nd insmod:
eth1: register 'MOSCHIP usb-ethernet driver' at usb-str8100-ehci-1, MOSCHIP
7830 usb-NET adapter, 00:60:6e:20:24:90
usbcore: registered new driver MOSCHIP usb-ethernet driver
It seems you have some modules conflict ("unknown symbol in module, or unknown
parameter"). Can it be because you improperly extracted the tar file (this
sometimes happens when files are extracted using some Unix-unaware tools on
Windows)
Original comment by stanisl...@gmail.com
on 22 May 2011 at 8:46
Hi mate, thanks for the reply. Here's what I've done based on your suggestions:
1. I copied the .tar file to the nas and used the nas's tar command to extract
the files.
2. I ran the two insmod commands, and the following appeared in the log:
usb 1-1: applying rev.C fixup
usb 1-1: applying rev.C fixup
eth1: register 'MOSCHIP usb-ethernet driver' at usb-str8100-ehci-1, MOSCHIP
7830 usb-NET adapter, 00:00:60:6e:34:54
usbcore: registered new driver MOSCHIP usb-ethernet driver
The usb-ethernet adapter still doesn't show up in the log when I reboot
however, so I guess that is still the main problem. I tried to open it but I
can't see how to do it without breaking the plastic case.
As far as I know I don't have any other usbnet.ko module on the system, I
haven't added one myself at least. Thanks for the help so far, but I suspect
the adapter itself may be the problem (although it does work on windows).
Original comment by vew...@googlemail.com
on 22 May 2011 at 10:27
It seems everything is perfect and you just forgot to save SnakeOS config after
extracting the tar.
By saving config you save also the files you've extracted to /etc so they will
be available on the next reboot.
Good luck !
Original comment by stanisl...@gmail.com
on 22 May 2011 at 11:43
Unfortunately not :(
I have definitely saved the files (they are all there after rebooting). I also
just manually ran the commands in the usbnet.sh script:
/sbin/insmod /etc/usbnet/usbnet.ko
/sbin/insmod /etc/usbnet/mcs7830.ko
/sbin/udhcpc -b -q -t 5 -H snake-i eth1
and that didn't work either. Based on the output when I ran the insmod command
can you tell if the adapter is a moschip 7830 usb-net adapter?
Thanks for the help by the way.
Original comment by vew...@googlemail.com
on 22 May 2011 at 12:41
Please define "didn't work".
Your log shows the adapter was identified by the OS:
eth1: register 'MOSCHIP usb-ethernet driver' at usb-str8100-ehci-1, MOSCHIP
7830 usb-NET adapter, 00:00:60:6e:34:54
usbcore: registered new driver MOSCHIP usb-ethernet driver
Then udhcpc command should acquire the additional IP for the ethernet adapter
from your DHCP server.
Do you have both ethernet interfaces connected ?
Do you see eth1 when you run ifconfig ? Do you see also eth0 ?
Did you try accessing the NAS using this new IP address you got for eth1 ?
Original comment by stanisl...@gmail.com
on 22 May 2011 at 1:24
After some more fiddling I narrowed down the problem to usbnet.sh:
1. I had to un-comment this line:
ifconfig eth1 $IP netmask $DEF_MASK up
2. I commented out the following line as neither the usb-net interface or the
ethernet interface were functional otherwise
/sbin/udhcpc -b -q -t 5 -H $HOSTNAME -i eth1
Long story short it is working now, and working very well! Thank you again for
the help, I now finally have a fully functional NAS.
Original comment by vew...@googlemail.com
on 23 May 2011 at 11:32
vewdon, I am glad to hear you found yourself and used the 2nd option I built
into the script - setting the IP manually, without getting the address via DHCP
server.
Original comment by stanisl...@gmail.com
on 24 May 2011 at 9:02
I have the network adapter and the files downloaded and edited. I have created
the usbnet directory on the NAS, even. However, I cannot copy the files. I have
tried to use scp through ssh and telnet but I keep getting a file doesn't exist
error on my from file (from my PC). Can someone please give DETAILED
instructions on how to copy the file over?
Thanks!
Original comment by rod.naugler@gmail.com
on 11 Jun 2011 at 10:23
Why don't you transfer tar file using samba share and then just connect to NAS
with ssh, change dir to / and untar it ? This will create all needed folders
too.
If you edit files on Windows, you will have to do much more work - first you
have to ensure you didn't break the Unix end-of-lines and then you will have to
make them executable after transferring to NAS.
Original comment by stanisl...@gmail.com
on 12 Jun 2011 at 1:41
I used smb to send the files and vi to edit, just to fix the IP address.
I am not a Linux expert but could do it just by reading the posts.
The performance is great (I thought it would be slower) and the NAS is working
flawlessly for the first time to sync files with my HTPC, thanks stanislavb!
Original comment by gfernan...@gmail.com
on 12 Jun 2011 at 3:41
Never thought of using SMB and tar on the device. That works perfectly. For
those who are wondering, once you ssh (or telnet) in, type the following:
cd ..
tar -xvf /usb/<pathtodrive>/usbnet.tar
That's it. Of course, replace <pathtodrive> with your drive path.
Then, you save-config and reboot.
Original comment by rod.naugler@gmail.com
on 12 Jun 2011 at 7:09
Well... now I have a new problem. After using the adapter, my redirect to
access the NAS from the internet is not working... it is supposed to be running
on 192.168.1.3, and if I "ping snake" on my network the IP returned is the
correct one. But from the outside, it is like the RDR is not working. I have
rebooted my router but I don't know if it is related to the MAC address change,
but the fact is that's not working. Any clues?
Don't pay attention to the line breaks on the attached file, it was copied from
terminal.
Original comment by gfernan...@gmail.com
on 13 Jun 2011 at 2:21
Attachments:
[deleted comment]
Rewriting my last (and removed) comment: the NAS loses access to/from the
internet, because it has no route to my default gateway. I wasn't aware of that
because I was testing local sync.
Anyone thinks that the better solution is to insert a line with a "route add"
command to the usbnet.sh, or is there any other way that is more adequate?
Original comment by gfernan...@gmail.com
on 13 Jun 2011 at 12:49
Original issue reported on code.google.com by
Angel.M....@gmail.com
on 13 Apr 2010 at 9:51