Open ronaldtse opened 1 year ago
andrew2net
commented
1 year ago Proposed action: change identifier "CCSDS 133.1-B-1 Pre-Corrigendum 1” => "CCSDS 133.1-B-1-S”, change issue number from “1 Pre-Corrigendum 1” to just “1”.
@ronaldtse but "CCSDS 133.1-B-1-S” already exists. And these documents aren't identical. For example, "CCSDS 133.1-B-1-S” has corrections that "CCSDS 133.1-B-1 Pre-Corrigendum 1” doesn't:
"CCSDS 133.1-B-1-S”
"CCSDS 133.1-B-1 Pre-Corrigendum 1”
ronaldtse
commented
1 year ago @andrew2net great find. So we know that:
The first item clearly was published in October 2006 not June 2006.
| CCSDS 133.1-B-1-S incorporating "Cor 1" | Pre-corrigendum 1 |
|---|---|
An additional problem is that the footer of the "standard with cor" contains an identifier that is identical to the Tech Cor itself, "CCSDS 133.1-B-1 Cor. 1":
We need to clarify this with CCSDS: the identifier of the standard that incorporated the cor, and the date/edition reference.
ronaldtse
commented
1 year ago My report to CCSDS:
I just realized that the problem regarding "CCSDS 133.1-B-1 Pre-Corrigendum” is slightly more complex.
There are two published "CCSDS 133.1-B-1-S” documents:
a. "CCSDS 133.1-B-1-S Pre-Corrigendum 1” that did not incorporate "CCSDS 133.1-B-1-S Cor. 1”, published June 2006 b. "CCSDS 133.1-B-1-S" that incorporates "CCSDS 133.1-B-1-S Cor. 1”, published October 2006
The timeline is this:
The exact differences of content between a. and b. are illustrated in this ticket: https://github.com/relaton/relaton-data-ccsds/issues/7#issuecomment-1678387573
This situation is interesting because the incorporation of "Cor. 1” did not increment the “Issue” number, which meant that the old publication identifier was re-used.
From what I can see of “Cor” documents in the CCSDS library, standards are rarely re-published to incorporate corrigenda. This seemed to be the only instance in the library?
I also don’t know whether "CCSDS 133.1-B-1-S Pre-Corrigendum 1” is the desired publication identifier because this is the only instance of a “pre-corrigendum” document in the CCSDS online library.
There are two questions that arose from this situation:
Reference stability. If I wanted to lock my citation to the originally published “113.1-B-1-S”, I have to change my citation to “113.1-B-1-S Pre-Corrigendum 1”. However, when I initially authored the citation (between June and October 2006), I would not know whether a corrigendum will be issued and cannot make the desired reference.
Publication footer. Between the documents a. and b., all pages use the footer reference identifier of "CCSDS 133.1-B-1-S”. However, in document b, the footer shows "CCSDS 133.1-B-1-S Cor. 1” mixed with "CCSDS 133.1-B-1-S”. This is an inconsistency in the footer of the October 2006 "CCSDS 133.1-B-1-S” document. However, "CCSDS 133.1-B-1-S Cor. 1” is the identifier of the Technical Corrigendum document, not the base document being corrected. So there is a confusion here.
I guess the ultimate question is: what is the correct way to distinguish "CCSDS 133.1-B-1-S Pre-Corrigendum 1” and "CCSDS 133.1-B-1-S”?
andrew2net
commented
1 year ago @ronaldtse it seems the "CCSDS 133.1-B-1 Pre-Corrigendum 1” is a first reduction. The "CCSDS 133.1-B-1-S Cor. 1” is a correction. And the "CCSDS 133.1-B-1-S” is a merging of the first reduction and the correction.
ronaldtse
commented
1 year ago @andrew2net yes, if "reduction" means "publication". We are waiting for CCSDS's reply.
ronaldtse
commented
1 year ago CCSDS reported this fixed. However, it seems that they now removed the Pre-Corrigendum document.
Keeping this open until they have further responses on the Pre-Corrigendum.
https://public.ccsds.org/Publications/SilverBooks.aspx
This identifier actually points to https://public.ccsds.org/Pubs/133x1b1c1.pdf , which is just “CCSDS 133.1-B-1” (after retired it should be “CCSDS 133.1-B-1-S”).
If we look at the bigger picture, this document is actually “CCSDS 133.1-B-1-S” itself, not any special “pre-corrigendum” document.
Reasons:
Hence we know that this document is actually just "133.1-B-1-S”.
Proposed action: change identifier "CCSDS 133.1-B-1 Pre-Corrigendum 1” => "CCSDS 133.1-B-1-S”, change issue number from “1 Pre-Corrigendum 1” to just “1”.