[Feature]: preprint: print more information

[ryofurue]

Debug log ID

3X8WKDMA-refs-apse

What happened?

Currently, Zotero's Preprint field becomes @misc but then I miss the following two pieces of information in the reference list:

• The fact that it's a preprint.
• The name of the preprint archive (preprint server).

I don't know what's the best entry type, but if we use @article with journal = {repository name} and note={preprint} then most bibliography processors will produce good references with perhaps warnings like "missing volume number" and "missing pages". This handling would be almost the same as a journal article "in press".

[retorquere]

In the case of 3X8WKDMA-refs-apse, what would be the preprint archive? Earth and Space Science Open Archive?

[ryofurue]

Thank you for your response.

what would be the preprint archive? Earth and Space Science Open Archive?

Yes. The Zotero browser plugin put it in the "Repository" field of the "Preprint" entry.

I can see that preprint can be problematic because there is no standard practice for biblatex. If you look at discussion on the Net, you see that some recommend @article, some @online, some @misc. At least, it seems the names of the relevant fields are sort of standardized by biblatex for arXiv, though:

But, for other preprint services . . . I don't know.

[retorquere]

@njbart would you reckon a preprint would be better mapped to unpublished, or to online?

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[njbart]

If this is about biblatex, the examples from https://github.com/plk/biblatex/blob/dev/bibtex/bib/biblatex/biblatex-examples.bib seem to indicate that @online is appropriate, unless the item in question has also been officially published, in which case @article would make more sense.

@article{baez/article,
  author       = {Baez, John C. and Lauda, Aaron D.},
  title        = {Higher-Dimensional Algebra {V}: 2-Groups},
  journaltitle = {Theory and Applications of Categories},
  date         = 2004,
  volume       = 12,
  pages        = {423-491},
  version      = 3,
  eprint       = {math/0307200v3},
  eprinttype   = {arxiv},
  langid       = {english},
  langidopts   = {variant=american},
  annotation   = {An \texttt{article} with \texttt{eprint} and
                  \texttt{eprinttype} fields. Note that the arXiv reference is
                  transformed into a clickable link if \texttt{hyperref} support
                  has been enabled.  Compare \texttt{baez\slash online}, which
                  is the same item given as an \texttt{online} entry},
}

@online{baez/online,
  author       = {Baez, John C. and Lauda, Aaron D.},
  title        = {Higher-Dimensional Algebra {V}: 2-Groups},
  date         = {2004-10-27},
  version      = 3,
  langid       = {english},
  langidopts   = {variant=american},
  eprinttype   = {arxiv},
  eprint       = {math/0307200v3},
  annotation   = {An \texttt{online} reference from arXiv. Note the
                  \texttt{eprint} and \texttt{eprinttype} fields. Compare
                  \texttt{baez\slash article} which is the same item given as an
                  \texttt{article} entry with eprint information},
}

@online{itzhaki,
  author       = {Itzhaki, Nissan},
  title        = {Some remarks on {'t Hooft's} {S}-matrix for black holes},
  date         = {1996-03-11},
  version      = 1,
  langid       = {english},
  langidopts   = {variant=american},
  eprinttype   = {arxiv},
  eprint       = {hep-th/9603067},
  annotation   = {An \texttt{online} reference from arXiv. Note the
                  \texttt{eprint} and \texttt{eprinttype} fields. Also note that
                  the arXiv reference is transformed into a clickable link if
                  \texttt{hyperref} support has been enabled},
  abstract     = {We discuss the limitations of 't Hooft's proposal for the
                  black hole S-matrix. We find that the validity of the S-matrix
                  implies violation of the semi-classical approximation at
                  scales large compared to the Planck scale. We also show that
                  the effect of the centrifugal barrier on the S-matrix is
                  crucial even for large transverse distances.},
}

@online{wassenberg,
  author       = {Wassenberg, Jan and Sanders, Peter},
  title        = {Faster Radix Sort via Virtual Memory and Write-Combining},
  date         = {2010-08-17},
  version      = 1,
  langid       = {english},
  langidopts   = {variant=american},
  eprinttype   = {arxiv},
  eprintclass  = {cs.DS},
  eprint       = {1008.2849v1},
  annotation   = {A recent \texttt{online} reference from arXiv using the new
                  (April 2007 onward) identifier format. Note the
                  \texttt{eprint}, \texttt{eprinttype}, and \texttt{eprintclass}
                  fields. Also note that the arXiv reference is transformed into
                  a clickable link if \texttt{hyperref} support has been
                  enabled},
  abstract     = {Sorting algorithms are the deciding factor for the performance
                  of common operations such as removal of duplicates or database
                  sort-merge joins. This work focuses on 32-bit integer keys,
                  optionally paired with a 32-bit value. We present a fast radix
                  sorting algorithm that builds upon a microarchitecture-aware
                  variant of counting sort},
}

[retorquere]

@ryofurue right now BBT will output the following for 3X8WKDMA-refs-apse:

@online{CalilPHR:2022,
  title = {High-resolution, basin-scale simulations reveal the impact of intermediate zonal jets on the {{Atlantic}} oxygen minimum zones},
  author = {Calil, Paulo H. R.},
  date = {2022-10-18},
  eprinttype = {Earth and Space Science Open Archive},
  eprintclass = {Oceanography},
  doi = {10.1002/essoar.10511180.2},
  url = {https://essopenarchive.org/doi/full/10.1002/essoar.10511180.2},
  urldate = {2022-10-26},
  langid = {english}
}
% == BibLateX quality report for CalilPHR:2022:
% ? unused Archive location ("world")
% ? unused ISSN ("1051-1180")
% ? unused Library catalog ("www.essoar.org")

note that eprint is missing as the Zotero entry did not have an identifier filled out. It's not reported as missing in the quality report since @online only requires at least one of doi/eprint/url to be present. It does seem weird to me to have the eprinttype field but not the eprint field.

[retorquere]

Maybe if it has an ISSN and a journaltitle I should use @article rather than @online?

[ryofurue]

Maybe if it has an ISSN and a journaltitle I should use @article rather than @online?

I don't think so . . . For the particular example I've sent you, the preprint will remain as preprint for ever. It will not be treated as a journal article. The server is not linked to a particular journal. When a preprint is published in a journal, the preprint webpage just shows a link to the published version.

I guess this preprint server has an ISSN only because its editorial board controls the quality of the preprints and administers proper curation.

[ryofurue]

right now BBT will output the following

I guess you mean you will produce another BBT test version? I'm currently using the latest test version and it puts the entry in @misc with type = {Preprint}, etc.

I'll test what happens with @online with biblatex-chicago, which I use.

[retorquere]

I guess you mean you will produce another BBT test version? I'm currently using the latest test version and it puts the entry in @misc with type = {Preprint}, etc.

3749 outputs what I posted earlier for biblatex, and the following for bibtex:

@misc{CalilPHR:2022,
  title = {High-resolution, basin-scale simulations reveal the impact of intermediate zonal jets on the {{Atlantic}} oxygen minimum zones},
  author = {Calil, Paulo H. R.},
  year = {2022},
  month = oct,
  publisher = {{Earth and Space Science Open Archive}},
  doi = {10.1002/essoar.10511180.2},
  chapter = {Oceanography},
  copyright = {Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License},
  langid = {english}
}

I don't know how you got type = {Preprint},, neither the BBT nor the stock bib(la)tex exports seem to produce that. Maybe the type = {Preprint}, is reasonable for bibtex? I don't know.

[ryofurue]

3749 outputs what I posted earlier for biblatex

I see! I totally forgot that I'm using "bibtex" output, not "biblatex" output. Sorry for the confusion.

I don't know how you got type = {Preprint},

Again, sorry that was my mistake. I have two entries on Zotero for the same preprint: One is "Web Page" type and the other, "Preprint" type. You get type = {Preprint} for the Web Page version.

Okay, I'll test the "biblatex" output and see how biblatex-chicago handles it.

[ryofurue]

I got

Paulo H. R. Calil. High-Resolution, Basin-Scale Simulations Reveal the Impact of Intermediate Zonal Jets on the Atlantic Oxygen Minimum Zones. Oct. 18, 2022. doi: 10.1002/essoar.10511180.2. url: https:// essopenarchive.org/doi/full/10.1002/essoar.10511180.2 (visited on 10/26/2022).

from biblatex (without any package options) on the basis of the "biblatex" output from BBT. biblatex-chicago is essentially the same.

Still there is no indication that this is a preprint or name of the repository. Perhaps I should ask the developers of biblatex and biblatex-chicago?

[retorquere]

That's what I'd recommend. The biblatex manual doesn't say anything about preprints, so I don't what biblatex would need to signal a pre-print.

[njbart]

Well, short of getting biblatex or biblatex-chicago modified I'd imagine adding something like pubstate = {preprint} would do the trick. One could also think of having this added by BBT, or by biblatex on the fly in case eprinttype contains the name of a known preprint archive.

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[ryofurue]

Thank you both for your help.

With test build 6.7.54.3757, I get

Paulo H. R. Calil. High-resolution, basin-scale simulations reveal the impact of intermediate zonal jets on the Atlantic oxygen minimum zones. Oct. 18, 2022. doi: 10.1002/essoar.10511180.2. url: https:// essopenarchive.org/doi/full/10.1002/essoar.10511180.2 (visited on 10/26/2022). preprint.

We do get "preprint" now.

I've submitted a request to the official biblatex git. I just asked them to make an official recommendation in the official manual about preprints. What type a preprint should be. Where the name of the preprint server should go. And so on and so forth.

[DesBw]

I was here to ask about the mapping of the preprints. Turns out, you guys have already fixed it. I am getting @Misc for the preprints, and all the fields are correctly mapped.

This is absolutely what I hopped for. Thank you so much.

[retorquere]

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