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[question] Is it possible in the report to include a graph or related items? #40

Open kirk86 opened 4 years ago

kirk86 commented 4 years ago

Hi, I was wondering if it's possible to have the following two things in report?

1) A graph of related items, say I have some papers which I've indicated as related to each other, would it be possible to have a graph like a freemind or something like a file maybe that can be imported in freemind?

2) Is it possible from the selected items in the report to have an excel or csv file for further editing, this might be useful when ur trying to connect ideas?

Thanks!

retorquere commented 4 years ago

Zotero can already export to CSV. For a graph, my other plugin contains an exporter that can export to GML, although I'm considering changing that to graphml since yEd no longer seems to read gml

kirk86 commented 4 years ago

Thanks,

my other plugin contains an exporter that can export to GML, although I'm considering changing that to graphml since yEd no longer seems to read gml

Which one would that be? How about exporting simply a .json file which can easily be used with https://app.mindmapmaker.org. No need for ppl to install additional software and it works on the browser?

retorquere commented 4 years ago

I don't know what that expects.

retorquere commented 4 years ago

But mind maps are a bad fit it seems to me. Citation graphs are not necessarily strictly hierarchical.

kirk86 commented 4 years ago

I don't know what that expects.

Here's an example, it's just a json file encoding the relationships between the main topic with subtopics. For instance if we choose all the items from a topic with the flag related linking those items with each other and the topic.

{
   "cnodes" : [],
   "id" : "1959e9f5-a66f-43dc-ad90-43ac32cee8c1",
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retorquere commented 4 years ago

There's a lot more than just the nodes in there.

kirk86 commented 4 years ago

True, I'm no expert, it was mainly a suggestion. It could work with maybe the minimum of entries?

retorquere commented 4 years ago

If you could experiment and get something minimal, I can have a stab at generating it.

kirk86 commented 4 years ago

Sure thing, let me know how can I export such a json and I'll try to import and use it at mindmaker.

retorquere commented 4 years ago

No I mean if you can create a minimal mindmapmaker-compatible JSON with any data you please manually, I could see whether I can create that from a Zotero translator.

kirk86 commented 4 years ago

Oh, ok gotcha ya! Here you go.

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retorquere commented 4 years ago

That immediately hits a few problems:

This is why I chose yEd for my existing graph export. GML graphs can contain loops (they're not required to be hierarchies) and yEd does the layout for you.

kirk86 commented 4 years ago

I understand, maybe one last suggestion, I've looked into yEd and it seems very similar to draw.io. Maybe it is easier to export something in draw.io format rather than mindmapper? The format is an mxfile and it doesn't require to be any type of hierarchy. Here's an example.

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</mxfile>
retorquere commented 4 years ago

That's most likely encoded binary of some sort. I have no idea what it actually says. I can't sensibly generate that. Is that format documented anywhere?

What's wrong with yEd?

retorquere commented 4 years ago

I see this but

  1. that's a pretty wonky file format, and
  2. deflate/inflate isn't built into javascript and bringing in javascript libraries that do it make this a non-trivial translator to write

So I still don't see a strong case for making a draw.io translator rather than just keeping the existing GML translator.

Draw.io has plans to add GML/graphml import, and I could look at their CSV format, but the native draw.io format doesn't seem to be documented, and Zotero translators are good at producing text, not so good at creating binary formats.

kirk86 commented 4 years ago

Thanks for taking time looking into it.

I could look at their CSV format

That would be awesome.

What's wrong with yEd?

Nothing in particular. Generally, I try to avoid installing unnecessary stuff. Plus, having something that works online makes things easier to share with other people without forcing them to install anything or maybe learning a new graph editor.

retorquere commented 4 years ago

yEd has an online version.

retorquere commented 4 years ago

For the csv, you'd have to create a sample csv, not just their sample but an actual csv as you'd want it generated from zotero. If it's quick to create a translator for it I'll give it a stab, but as said, I already have a graph exporter, and while draw.io looks nice I don't see an immediate benefit to creating an extra graph exporter just because draw.io drags its feet on adding GML import.

kirk86 commented 4 years ago

yEd has an online version

Thanks, didn't know about that. Overall you know better than me what's better in the long run so I don't have any arguments against what you've said and if sth doesn't make sense doing then, by all means, don't do it. I was merely suggesting something mostly cause of my ignorance of the existence of some of the already existing tools in place.

Thanks!

retorquere commented 4 years ago

I can still do it if it's sufficiently simple, but it's not something I'm going to add to my existing plugins, since these formats are specific to draw.io.