RFE 12 Create a trip report after route creation

[ghost]

Once the route is created have the ability to display, export, and print an hourly summary that shows the environmental details as well as the boat details.

Wind speed, direction, AWA, AWS, waves (height, period), current speed and direction, boat SOG, elapsed time, TTG, course to steer, etc.

[rgleason]

Please provide greater detail for this, knowing that there is copious Data available, and the problem is "Print what?" as much as the function. You must be more specific.

Additionally, is there some way to make this data more coherent and manageable, using a spreadsheet format or something?

View Settings

View Statistics

View Report

Right-click > Weather Route Position

Right-click > Grib Data

Right-click > Grib Data Table

[rgleason]

So exactly what do you want?

[ghost]

Here's an example from TimeZero that I find very useful for trip planning. This is directly from their weather route planner.

[rgleason]

[rgleason]

Can you please explain what features you find most useful for all of us here?

[ghost]

Once a weather route is created and the user shifts back to using OpenCPN as a navigation tool, having the ability to pull up and review the details of the route in a table like the example above, offers the opportunity to share trip details with crew, compare current conditions with those that were forecasted, shows what to expect in the coming hours, and provides an indication of performance compared to polars.

With this information available outside of the weather routing plugin, it keeps the screen available for navigation. The current method of hovering the cursor over the weather route to view details is very difficult on a touch interface, a full route table would address this.

A spreadsheet format would make it easier to view, analyze, and share.

Again, it's ease of availability of the data for route planning and execution. As weather routing is at the moment, how do we go back to the weather route a half a day into the passage to review what the conditions boat setup are forecasted for overnight?

We can get an exported track, can the leg data be included in that table?

[rgleason]

Dave is working on gpx export of the entire route with speed, direction, distance, ETD. Time, etc.

What is missing is weather data, wind, waves, sails selected, polar, etc.

[rgleason]

Here is the Exported Route gpx file, the ETD will also be entered

Here is a gpx file imported to show the WR optimal route.

Here is the gpx file WXRoute_08-17-23_12-00.gpx.txt

Eventually, next version, the Export Route function will pipe the file directly into Route Manager.

Knowing this, what suggestions do you have to bring the data alive for sailors analyzing their progress?

[rgleason]

From your comments and observations:

1. Information available outside of the weather routing plugin to keep screen available for navigation.
   • Should it be viewed and available within Opencpn?
   • Should it be a separate file that can be viewed by other devices?
2. Spreadsheet format would make it easier to view, analyze, and share.
3. Ability review the details of the route in a table like the example above
   • offers the opportunity to share trip details with crew,
   • compare current conditions with those that were forecasted,
   • shows what to expect in the coming hours
   • and provides an indication of performance compared to polars.
4. Current method of hovering the cursor over the weather route to view details is very difficult on a touch interface.
   • A full route table would address this.
   • Dave is working on this now.
   • See Android: Much simpler interface
   • If we were to provide a better Route Review feature how would we be able to limit the data enough to be useful on an android?
5. Questions
   • What other data is needed in the table to make it meaningful?
   • Wind direction (graphic?) and speed (color coded) (Grib dependent)?
   • Wave direction, height and interval (color coded) (Grib dependent)?
   • Sail/Polar changes? Identify the polar used?
   • What other grib parameters are needed for evaluation? (Wind gust, pressure, air temp, sea temp, rainfall, cloud cover, geopotential, CAPE.) Knowing that getting this data is expensive.
   • Shouldn't we be able chose to set time to Local, UTC, etc. and have all the data use that?
   • In TimeZero, there is a Time Bar which can be scrolled and selected, which allows a selective review of predicted conditions, with a graphic of the optimal routing, showing the precise position at that time. How effective is this format?

[rgleason]

OpenCPN uses topgrafix GPX 1.1 Schema there is an "Extensions Type" which could be used to extend the gpx file that is exported so that it could include weather data at each location and time. We would need the Grib weather data exported with each position/time using the gpx extension type that is developed.

I would suggest as a minimum having this extended gpx data (Is there an xtd extension like this already?):

• Wind Speed
• Wind Direction
• Wind Gust
• Pressure
• Wave
• Current

[rgleason]

We would then have to improve the Route Manager to read and display the extensions in a graphic way. Or find some other software alternative.

[rgleason]

Incidentally Waypoint Properties > Extended Tab would have to be augmented to show the Grib Weather Data.

[rgleason]

GPX versions explained: https://logiqx.github.io/gps-wizard/gpx/ Searching for GPX schema extensions that support marine weather data. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS_Exchange_Format

Of course it would be NOAA https://digital.mdl.nws.noaa.gov/xml/ This one is big but it looks like it would work https://digital.mdl.nws.noaa.gov/xml/schema/latest_DWML_time-series.txt

How to get that schema into the GPS schema "Extension type"? Or are they just used alongside each other?

[ghost]

Questions What other data is needed in the table to make it meaningful?

The data I find most useful are as follows: Leg # ETA to that leg SOG Polar Used (sailset, motor, etc) AWA AWS TWA TWS TWD CTS Wave height Wave period Distance of leg Total time to go

Wind direction (graphic?) and speed (color coded) (Grib dependent)? Wave direction, height and interval (color coded) (Grib dependent)?

This is certainly a personal choice but for us, we just pay attention to the text and don’t find the graphics of much value.

Sail/Polar changes? Identify the polar used?

As above

What other grib parameters are needed for evaluation? (Wind gust, pressure, air temp, sea temp, rainfall, cloud cover, geopotential, CAPE.) Knowing that getting this data is expensive.

This info is valuable in the initial route evaluation and is already visible at that time. I don’t think it helps much in a table.

Shouldn't we be able chose to set time to Local, UTC, etc. and have all the data use that?

Yes

In TimeZero, there is a Time Bar which can be scrolled and selected, which allows a selective review of predicted conditions, with a graphic of the optimal routing, showing the precise position at that time. How effective is this format?

We only use that at the initial route evaluation to be able to see where we’ll be for weather events (strong wind, CAPE, strong current, etc.) This allows us to identify “bale out” options if needed. We only use this option at the outset or when we have updated weather/routing data.

[rgleason]

This is very helpful. Some of the data you list can be derived, some of it is dependent on the grib download (wind and waves). The extent of data appears to be reasonable, not requiring significant use of gpx extension type for weather data.

• Wind (dependent on grib files)
• Waves (dependent on grib files)
• Polar used
• Can the GPX extension type be used for this?
• The additional wind data will have to be calculated before display, or something.
• The overall route data can also be calculated, including total distance, ave speed, time on port/starboard, etc.

It appears that initially, we can just have a spreadsheet/tabular that uses text for the data, and then improve it graphically.

Should it be sortable or not? What fields?

It helps that the TimeZero time bar is only used in the initial route evaluation.

[ghost]

That’s good news! I am very happy to test this as needed.

[rgleason]

What is distance of let?

[ghost]

Typo. Leg. Distance between each leg.

[rgleason]

Go back and edit your post accordingly please, if possible. We are typing to develop a user spec for programmers to review.

[ghost]

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[rgleason]

Thanks, I am going to close some of these posts for clarity.

[rgleason]

In trying to get parity with the Exported GPS data....and clarify Leg # - Available, resolve first leg from boat though. ETA to that leg - Calculated SOG -Available Polar Used (sailset, motor, etc) - Use gpx extension-type? AWA - Calculated AWS - Calculated TWA - Calclulated TWS - Use gpx extension-type? TWD - Use gpx extension-type? CTS - We have course to wpt, this will have to be calculated based upon boat information, or just use Course to Wpt? CTS is a bit of a problem. Wave height - Use gpx extension-type? Wave period - Use gpx extension-type? Distance of leg -Available Total time to go -Available probably, time to go to next wpt?

[rgleason]

From QTVLM routing Report see https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f134/weather-routing-100060.html#post3888465