Track and break ongoing efforts to harass signatories

[ghost]

https://github.com/sticks-stuff/highlight-RMS-supporters/issues/44

[ghost]

Don't escalate the situation further

[Bluesboy]

@bnainar where to escalate further? They started it we tried to convince them that they are doing wrong things, but they don't want to hear voice of reason. In my book we should retaliate. Not that I could help in any way here, but still I think that @JackRedstonia right. At least it's funny how they blame us that we try brake their tool of oppression.

[jobbautista9]

where to escalate further?

By finding more vulnerabilities in their code and exploiting it. Don't interact with them on their repo's issue tracker.

[Tw1ddle]

Retaliation is likely to result in more harassment for signatories of both letters in the end. Please stop - it is a distraction.

Many signatories on the remove-Stallman letter frown on these tools too. It is only a small minority who want to block or harass people on either letter.

It is better to focus on fact-checking information being spread about Stallman and the FSF.

[cmpunches]

If you create a contest to see who the bigger *hole is you will only end up with two sides trying to be the biggest hole their existences can create, with no terms of victory or defeat for either side, in a spiral of escalating behaviour, on a logged medium where it can be annexed into the archive of human history forever.

These people are garbage that have traded in their values for a cheap signal that lacks truth behind it. Most of their minds are so underdeveloped that they won't understand my previous sentence. Of those that do, their characters are so underdeveloped that they won't understand why it matters.

Let them be the bad guys. They've already lost in every conceivable way -- Even if they had won, they'd have still lost, because they have no moral authority to stand on that doesn't rest on manufactured truths and corporate soap boxing crafted entirely as virtue signals with no regard for truth.

Nobody -- and I mean nobody --- that is contributing meaningfully in any f/oss community is engaging in that kind of activity.

You won't find exceptions. Literally anyone broken enough to do that is going to be your support vampires, your malnourished trolls, your lolcows (here's looking at you, Molly, Elana, and most of the corporates), and those poor broken souls desperate for validation that run the IRC networks (hey Tomaw).

But. Let's extend their vision and pretend they HAD won. So they get all the people who don't agree with them fired or something. 10 years go by and everything comes to a screeching halt because none of the people who think like this are competent. Meanwhile all the people they alienated formed new communities more resilient to cultural exploitation and have built around them.

Let them be the ***holes so that there's only one side doing it. But raise awareness of what's happening.

[ghost]

"An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind.”

Let's not lower our standards by indulging in these activities. Harrassing the people who harrass is NOT going to do any favour to us, or the FSF, or the struggle we are facing by the corporates to fade away the free software movement. We should be the good guys AND need to focus our efforts on the smear campaign against RMS. We SHOULD NOT be known for these cheap activities.

Regards, Nainar

[ghost]

After having read these comments, I have decided that I will be closing this issue. Let the bigots filter themselves from us.

[appetrosyan]

guys, to add to @bnainar comments, we are not here to convince them they are wrong. They know why they are in this. It has nothing to do with what either RMS or anyone they want to resign did or said. They found some dirt on him, and want to use it to their own advantage, using however little influence they have, to force everyone into line. You can't convince them they're wrong, because they already know that!

What we are doing here is to convince everyone else, that they are not credible. We can't do that when everyone thinks that we are doing the same as they.

So if you want to help this out: 1) gather as much evidence as you can. Even if they take over FSF, we can ruin their credibility. 2) Be as polite and civil as you can be. You are not there to disprove their point, you're there to discredit their ideology. They have made sufficient mistakes so that you can point them out wherever they go.

[jobbautista9]

I agree that we shouldn't emulate their behaviour, and let them show themselves how wrong they are. However, I will be accepting pull requests that will exploit that repo's currently known vulnerabilities. It's not an attack on them, but rather a defensive move to protect our signatories. As Meatball Wiki says: DefendEachOther!

[nukeop]

Please stop - it is a distraction.

I can't stress this enough.