WN7 - WN8 Integration

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Please is possible integrate WN7 and WN8 ?
Thanks

Original issue reported on code.google.com by paolo.mo...@gmail.com on 12 Oct 2013 at 9:02

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I don't see a problem, it's like 5mins of work, just upgrade current WN6 
formula to WN7 and that's it...

Original comment by xtreal...@gmail.com on 13 Oct 2013 at 2:41

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Please could you told me where I can found (file name) current WN6 formula to 
update it ?
Many thanks

Original comment by paolo.mo...@gmail.com on 13 Oct 2013 at 3:10

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Original comment by pavlushko.m@gmail.com on 13 Oct 2013 at 5:49

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You can't do it paolo, it has to be updated on XVM server by XVM devs, for them 
it's surely 5 min of code changing then probably few days to execute and 
recalculate their whole database...

Original comment by xtreal...@gmail.com on 26 Oct 2013 at 8:22

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Ok many thanks.
So, I will wait for further good notices :)

Original comment by paolo.mo...@gmail.com on 26 Oct 2013 at 9:25

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Issue 571 has been merged into this issue.

Original comment by edgar.fo...@gmail.com on 8 Nov 2013 at 4:24

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Issue 571 was not so much about wn7/wn8, as about replacing the WG rating in 
7v7 with _any_ established stat, even wn6 would do for starters.

Original comment by kiril...@gmail.com on 10 Nov 2013 at 8:04

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In order to do this, WN7 and/or WN8 need to be implemented server-side first. 
But at the moment, there are problems with stats on WG servers so I guess this 
issue has a low priority.

Original comment by edgar.fo...@gmail.com on 19 Nov 2013 at 9:08

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Then I would suggest to reopen Issue 571.

Original comment by kiril...@gmail.com on 20 Nov 2013 at 9:45

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WN8 rating will be calculated during stat update for each account from today.

Original comment by bat...@gmail.com on 20 Nov 2013 at 6:42

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what about macros and XVM scale?

Original comment by m.schedr...@gmail.com on 20 Nov 2013 at 8:58

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In the WN8 calculation, does it only use the Random Battles stats? If not, it 
needs to be changed so that 7/42 battles are not included in the totals.

Original comment by bjsh...@gmail.com on 4 Dec 2013 at 7:13

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For info,

http://wiki.wnefficiency.net/pages/Color_Scale

I'm sure the dev's already know this but the link provided above is for people 
monitoring this thread.

Original comment by cheesybo...@cheesyboofs.co.uk on 4 Dec 2013 at 3:37

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#14: Yes 7/42 not included. Only random (solo and company) and clan battles.

Original comment by bat...@gmail.com on 4 Dec 2013 at 8:33

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Oh yeah, I forgot about those other modes. Anyway, that's good.

Original comment by bjsh...@gmail.com on 4 Dec 2013 at 11:26

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Just thought I'd add something. The current XVM Configuration Editor only 
allows WN* scores up to 3000. I assume that can be increased by editing the 
configuration file directly, but it needs to be increased in the editor, if 
that hasn't been said already.

Original comment by bjsh...@gmail.com on 4 Dec 2013 at 11:40

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it is nice we are getting rid of the obsolete WN6... but... what was not stated 
properly is, how do we get to know the global values have changed from WN6 to 
WN8? and does it mean, the macros {wn} and {xwn} will be kept, just the value 
it displays wont be WN6 but WN8? aaaand, do we get new macros for vehicle WN8, 
as if you are calculating WN8, you definitely have WN8 for each vehicle player 
has...

thx, keep up good work :)

Original comment by DarthWan...@gmail.com on 6 Dec 2013 at 1:10

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Just give the developers time to at least release the next full version of XVM. 
I'm sure most if not all of your questions will be answered in the release 
notes.

Original comment by cheesybo...@cheesyboofs.co.uk on 6 Dec 2013 at 1:51

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Since, 

mywotstats
wotlabs
noobmeter

and other already implemented win8 as default statistic information, can you 
apply it to xvm?

Original comment by pedrofsp...@gmail.com on 18 Dec 2013 at 3:22

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#21: well next full version is released, still no update on wn8. can a 
developer maybe say something related to this?

Original comment by trash2...@gmail.com on 19 Dec 2013 at 12:17

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XVM is alredy using WN8 guys..

Original comment by Vodhr.Ni...@gmail.com on 20 Dec 2013 at 10:36

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is there a new macro to use for WN8 ? or how can we change our config files to 
display it when the 8.10 version is release ?

Original comment by claudiuc...@gmail.com on 20 Dec 2013 at 11:31

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Re: "XVM is alredy using WN8 guys.." 

is this the macro that returns WN8; {{c:wn}} ?

Original comment by AnthonyV...@gmail.com on 22 Dec 2013 at 12:14

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Re: "XVM is alredy using WN8 guys.."

if XVM is using wn8 then where can i find it. XVM Config still using WN6.

anyone knows where to get XVM config with wn8? 

Thanks.

Original comment by Spicy...@gmail.com on 22 Dec 2013 at 3:17

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#28 #25 #26

From what I understand the config doesn't have macros for every WN version, 
just a generic WN that will return whatever data XVM servers have, and since 
#12, the servers only calculate WN8. (it would be a waste of resources to keep 
outdated versions, and quite expensive)

My stats updated like two weeks ago and took a huge change, so I can confirm 
the update to WN8.

Original comment by Vodhr.Ni...@gmail.com on 23 Dec 2013 at 1:27

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5.0.2test1 version still seems to use WN6... at least so far, on the NA server. 
Maybe we have to wait for a DB update sometime next week.

Original comment by rodrigoq...@gmail.com on 23 Dec 2013 at 8:02

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As far as I know, this rating is calculated on the server and stored into the 
DB as batsvr said. However, the macro isn't implemented yet in XVM so we can't 
retrieve it.
You guys have to wait for the final implementation. 

"When? Soon." :)

Original comment by edgar.fo...@gmail.com on 25 Dec 2013 at 7:34

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I've already changed the colour distribution in my config, so it's been 
inaccurate for 2-3 weeks now. :/

Original comment by bjsh...@gmail.com on 25 Dec 2013 at 11:57

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WN8 is now implemented since r3041.

Original comment by edgar.fo...@gmail.com on 29 Dec 2013 at 11:56

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Regarding your chat under r3041:
You are afraid of confusing players, but actually many stats leading sites 
(WoTLabs/Noobmeter) have already replaced the default WN formula with WN8. I 
guess most of people who care about rating use the stats sites, so at the 
moment they are rather going to be confused by XVM that left old WN6.
On your place I'd change the default {{wn}} macro with WN8 since it looks like 
it's gonna be a future. If you really want to keep the old WN - the {{wn6}} 
option should be fine.

Besides that WN8 was made to calculate the player rate more accurate, so it 
should be treated as an upgrade and not something that's gonna destroy players 
life and introduce the chaos ;)

Original comment by nieznaj...@gmail.com on 31 Dec 2013 at 3:45

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Currently, Noobmeter is still showing WN7 (to avoid confusion too, like I 
suggested) but I agree with you: {{wn6}} should return WN6 and {{wn}} return 
WN8.
You know, I'm the developer of a little tool on the EU cluster called XVM 
Updater, it installs everything automatically and you can select what rating 
you want to use in a few clicks. 
Sometimes, people don't understand why their rating changed, why it isn't 
updating or what is the difference between ER and WN. Not everyone is aware of 
these ratings, how they work, etc. So, do you imagine if we force these people 
to use WN8, automatically, without changing their configuration?
In my opinion, we must take care of that and provide a smooth transition, at 
least for a few months.

Original comment by edgar.fo...@gmail.com on 31 Dec 2013 at 11:34

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I agree. That makes a lot of sense.

Original comment by bjsh...@gmail.com on 1 Jan 2014 at 1:37

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You are right about Noobmeter, they use both values - my bad.
What kind of transition are you thinking about? To provide {{wn8}} for now and 
move it to {{wn}} in some time?

Original comment by nieznaj...@gmail.com on 1 Jan 2014 at 10:20

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just make the {{wn}} macro wn8 , and if its not to expensive allow for {{wn7}} 
and maybe {{wn6}} 

Original comment by AnthonyV...@gmail.com on 1 Jan 2014 at 10:56

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We were discussing about 3 solutions on r3041:
1. remove {{wn}} (and use {{wn6}} and {{wn8}})
2. leave {{wn}} and return WN6 (and add {{wn8}})
3. leave {{wn}} and return WN8 (and add {{wn6}})

I think the third one is the best, but we need users' opinion.

Original comment by edgar.fo...@gmail.com on 1 Jan 2014 at 12:12

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If you can count my voice i vote for 3rd option ;)
It's gonna be compatible with present users' configs and allow other people to 
continue using WN6 if they really want to.

Looks like answer #39 voted the same ;)

Original comment by nieznaj...@gmail.com on 1 Jan 2014 at 4:46

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Yes, i agree #3. This way users have no change to configs unless they want the 
outdated wn6

Original comment by AnthonyV...@gmail.com on 1 Jan 2014 at 6:29

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I also agree with option 3. Set the new ratings as standard for everyone new 
joining the statistics djungle. But something to consider also is that the ones 
that dont have learned that wn8 have new color scales and keeps wn6 settings 
for colors will see incorrect colors on players. Maybe there is some good way 
to avoid that?

Original comment by kim.kall...@gmail.com on 1 Jan 2014 at 10:13

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That's a good point. Hmm... maybe {{wn8}} should be the one for now, and a 
message should show in-game saying "On release of 9.0, {{wn}} will return WN8 
instead of WN6, so be ready to update your config file" or something.

Original comment by bjsh...@gmail.com on 2 Jan 2014 at 12:56

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Actually, how about having three macros kept: {{wn}}, {{wn6}}, {{wn8}}?
That way, it will be unambiguous. {{wn6}} will return WN6, {{wn8}} will return 
WN8 and {{wn}} will return WN6 for a while (showing the warning message), 
before eventually updating to WN8 (as of the 9.0 update).

Original comment by bjsh...@gmail.com on 2 Jan 2014 at 1:02

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Everyone can put on their big boy pants and use wn8 by default with wn macro, 
if they want wn6 they can revert to it with wn6 macro. colors are trivial 

Original comment by AnthonyV...@gmail.com on 2 Jan 2014 at 3:44

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When a release version of XVM comes out with WN8, the devs will add a WN8 
colours section to the config editor, right?

Original comment by bjsh...@gmail.com on 2 Jan 2014 at 10:22

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"We were discussing about 3 solutions on r3041:
1. remove {{wn}} (and use {{wn6}} and {{wn8}})
2. leave {{wn}} and return WN6 (and add {{wn8}})
3. leave {{wn}} and return WN8 (and add {{wn6}})"

Option Number 3 would be fine i think.

Original comment by max.binn...@gmail.com on 2 Jan 2014 at 1:22