[Request] Add LV2 as export options

[T0NIT0RMX]

Hi @rorywalsh ,

I'm currently developping a synthesizer using Cabbage framework and I would love to release it (for free, and open source)

So here are my 2 request to implement 2 new new plugins format :

• VST3 (JUCE seems ready for that) : Would allow compatibility with DAW like FL Studio
• LV2 (@FalkTX has a fork of JUCE with a LV2 wrapper, I think he can give you some help here) : Would allow compatibility with LMMS soon !

Thanks in advance,

[KottV]

Hi,

Though I'm not developer. Cabbage uses vanilla JUCE, so VST3 could be possible (except Linux for now), LV2 - sadly not, until JUCE megre LV2 supports in own sourcetree.

[rorywalsh]

VST3 support is now available. LV2 is not so straightforward. I'll leave this open until such time as LV2 sorry can be added. falltx published an LV2 add-on for JUCE. I just haven't had time to test it with the latest source. It was known to work well in earlier versions of Cabbage.

[JohannesLorenz]

For information, no idea if it helps, there seems to be an actively maintained project "LV2 Related JUCE Modules" (Mentioned on https://github.com/WeAreROLI/JUCE/issues/123)

[rorywalsh]

Thanks for this. I think being able to export to LV2 is more important that Cabbage being able to host LV2 plugins. Btw, VST3 exporting was implemented some time ago. Maybe I should change the issue name, or close it and open one about specifically about LV2s..

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For information, no idea if it helps, there seems to be an actively maintained project "LV2 Related JUCE Modules" https://github.com/lvtk/jlv2 (Mentioned on WeAreROLI/JUCE#123 https://github.com/WeAreROLI/JUCE/issues/123)

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[KottV]

It possible to make LV2 plugins in recent JUCE https://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=20584#p112948

Next important question that Cabbage have to generate all LV2 *.ttl stuff

PS I think it needs the collaboration of developers for providing "stay-up-to-day" LV2 fork of JUCE for example, there is my fork (not published yet) and https://github.com/DISTRHO/juce/tree/distrho-update

[T0NIT0RMX]

@rorywalsh you are alright, we can change the name and close this issue for vst3 and open a special LV2 one ! It would be really cool to have lv2 export option in Cabbage! That would make it possible for Linux user to use ToneZ !

[KottV]

@rorywalsh Hi! Rory, are you still intended to add LV2 export feature? As far as I can build LV2 plugins from recent JUCE code and have CabbagePluginSynth.lv2 (and it loads). But I haven't knowledge how Cabbage generate .so files.

[rorywalsh]

I wrote a long reply to this a few days ago, but somehow it didn't appear. That's not the first time this has happened to me! Anyhow, I was asking how you added support for LV2 to the current JUCE source? Can you provide me with a patch, I'm using JUCE 5.4.5. Once I have the wrapper stuff in place I can probably use falktx's code from Cabbage v1 to add an LV2 export option for Cabbage.

Btw, it looks like ROLI will not be adding support for LV2 any time soon.

[KottV]

This is JUCE 5.4.5 with updated and working LV2 code https://github.com/lv2-porting-project/JUCE/tree/lv2 so it has to substitude original JUCE when building For now the Projucer knows nothing about LV2, so we need to add some lines after resaving project:

1. To enable LV2 add this lines to JuceLibraryCode/AppConfig.h it contains LV2 URI of plugin. It's unclear for me how it should work with exporting in Cabbage:

   
   // [BEGIN_USER_CODE_SECTION]

// (You can add your own code in this section, and the Projucer will not overwrite it)

define JucePlugin_Build_LV2 1

define JucePlugin_LV2URI "https://cabbageaudio.com/CabbagePluginSynth"

// [END_USER_CODE_SECTION]

2. Prepare additional Makefile for LV2 format, it contains plugin dir/file name "JUCE_TARGET := CabbagePluginSynth" . I usually name it LV2.mak and put it near the .jucer file :

-- makefile --

JUCE_TARGET := CabbagePluginSynth JUCE_TARGET_LV2 := $(JUCE_TARGET).so JUCE_OUTDIR_LV2 := $(JUCE_OUTDIR)/$(JUCE_TARGET).lv2 JUCE_CFLAGS_LV2 := $(JUCE_CFLAGS_VST) JUCE_CPPFLAGS_LV2 := $(JUCE_CPPFLAGS_VST) JUCE_LDFLAGS_LV2 := $(JUCE_LDFLAGS_VST)

all : LV2 LV2 : $(JUCE_OUTDIR_LV2)/$(JUCE_TARGET_LV2)

OBJECTS_LV2 := \ $(JUCE_OBJDIR)/include_juce_audio_plugin_clientLV2.o

$(JUCE_OBJDIR)/include_juce_audio_plugin_clientLV2.o: ../../JuceLibraryCode/include_juce_audio_plugin_client_LV2.cpp -$(V_AT)mkdir -p $(JUCE_OBJDIR) @echo "Compiling include_juce_audio_plugin_client_LV2.cpp" $(V_AT)$(CXX) $(JUCE_CXXFLAGS) $(JUCE_CPPFLAGS_LV2) $(JUCE_CFLAGS_LV2) -o "$@" -c "$<"

$(JUCE_OUTDIR_LV2)/$(JUCE_TARGET_LV2) : check-pkg-config $(OBJECTS_LV2) $(RESOURCES) $(JUCE_OUTDIR)/$(JUCE_TARGET_SHARED_CODE) @echo Linking "$(JUCE_TARGET) - LV2" -$(V_AT)mkdir -p $(JUCE_BINDIR) -$(V_AT)mkdir -p $(JUCE_LIBDIR) -$(V_AT)mkdir -p $(JUCE_OUTDIR_LV2) $(V_AT)$(CXX) -o $(JUCE_OUTDIR_LV2)/$(JUCE_TARGET_LV2) $(OBJECTS_LV2) $(JUCE_OUTDIR)/$(JUCE_TARGET_SHARED_CODE) $(JUCE_LDFLAGS) $(JUCE_LDFLAGS_LV2) $(RESOURCES) $(TARGET_ARCH) ../../generate-lv2-ttl.py $(JUCE_OUTDIR_LV2)/$(JUCE_TARGET_LV2)

-include $(OBJECTS_LV2:%.o=%.d)

check-pkg-config: @command -v pkg-config >/dev/null 2>&1 || { echo >&2 "pkg-config not installed. Please, install it."; exit 1; } @pkg-config --print-errors alsa freetype2 libcurl x11 xext xinerama

3. include above in original Makefile, I usually put it near of the .jucer file:

`echo "include ../../LV2.mak" >> Builds/LinuxMakefile/Makefile`

4. Get ttl generator and put near of the LV2.mak https://github.com/lv2-porting-project/lv2-ttl-generator/blob/master/generate-lv2-ttl.py

5. Go to Builds/LinuxMakefile/Makefile and run make. For now it crashes with CONFIG=Release, so I build with Debug then strip binary.

[KottV]

Btw, it looks like ROLI will not be adding support for LV2 any time soon.

True. LV2 can be just option in Cabbage for now.

[rorywalsh]

Thanks for the info. I'll try to get something going. I will probably need your help at some point!

[KottV]

I'll do my best.

[rorywalsh]

Am I right in assuming that I should credit falktx's for these files? I want to include it in the readme. I'll obviously mention your good self too. I just don't want to appear to be taking credit for the work of others! If you can think of any others I'll be happy to put their name down too!

[rorywalsh]

I'm getting an error:

Linking CabbagePluginSynth - LV2 ../../LV2Code/generate-lv2-ttl.py build/CabbagePluginSynth.lv2/CabbagePluginSynth.so make: ../../LV2Code/generate-lv2-ttl.py: Command not found

Any ideas? I've double checked the path to the .py file and it's correct.

[edit] My bad, the path was actually incorrect!

[rorywalsh]

Thanks to your steps @KottV I have an LV2 plugin building now, although it doesn't make my sound. But at least it's a start!

[KottV]

Am I right in assuming that I should credit falktx's for these files? If you can think of any others I'll be happy to put their name down too!

Most of work is made by falktx https://github.com/DISTRHO/juce/branches with contributions by https://github.com/jpcima Patching concept is from Debian JUCE repo https://salsa.debian.org/multimedia-team/juce IOhannes m zmölnig And some good guy (I think he is from Pianoteq :) https://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&p=113721#p112936

[rorywalsh]

Thanks for this information. I'm just trying to set up a proper dev environment to debug this issue. It's taking me a little more time than I'd like. I'll let you know when I get somewhere with it.

[rorywalsh]

Hi @KottV I accidentally deleted all that work I had done with this :rage: So I had to do it all again. No big deal. Anyhow, Carla loads the resulting LV2 file without any problems. As too does Ardour 6. But for some reason Ardour 5.n will not load them. I'm going to try some things now to see if I can figure out what's going on.

[rorywalsh]

If I build with CONFIG=Release then Ardour 5.12 sees the plugin. This is good. I'll take a look at adding LV2 export next.

[KottV]

Hi! This is exciting in all means.

[mxmilkiib]

Might it be possible to mark ports as being CV for generated LV2 plugins, like DPF can?

[rorywalsh]

That might be possible. Sorry I haven't had more time to spend on this. I will return to it on Wednesday ;)

[rorywalsh]

I did some more work on this today. If anyone wants to test it out, checkout the lv2 branch and build using the buildCabbage script. Then launch Cabbage from the newly created install folder. Open an effect, and try exporting as an lv2. You will then need to copy that .lv2 to your lv2 folder. I haven't tried synths yet. I'll let you know.

[KottV]

It builds. But doesn't work for me. It shows empty GUI like there no csd file. And something wrong with Effect's files naming. I'm gonna to dig it deeply.

Another thing is calling addLV2Support.sh when run buildCabbage again. I think it should be executed just once separately or maybe using flag/checking in script.

[rorywalsh]

The lv2 that get's built is merely a dummy. Can you check the lv2 bundle that gets created when you export from Cabbage? It should definitely contain a .csd file? The ttl files should be renamed too.

Another thing is calling addLV2Support.sh when run buildCabbage again. I think it should be executed just once separately or maybe using flag/checking in script.

It's done this way because the Projucer overwrites all the JUCE modules when it generates a project. So when we generate the synth project it overwrites all previous modules, same when we generate the makefiles for the effect. I guess most people would separate each project into its own unique project tree, but I've always kept them in the same tree, which I always found to be cleaner, albeit with certain caveats.

If you think you can find a neat way around this issue please give it a go. I'm always open the PRs. Thanks again for taking a look. We're getting closer I think.

[rorywalsh]

Hi @KottV Can you confirm that the bundle you export from Cabbage has the associated .csd file, and that the ttl files have all been updated?

[KottV]

Hi! Yes, now there is bundle:

~/.lv2/BandFilter.lv2> tree
.
├── BandFilter.csd
├── BandFilter.so
├── BandFilter.ttl
├── CabbagePlugin.lv2
│   ├── CabbagePlugin.so
│   ├── CabbagePlugin.ttl
│   ├── manifest.ttl
│   └── presets.ttl
├── manifest.ttl
└── presets.ttl

and now it loads in jalv.gtk2 (it's really awesome) though URI is still https://cabbageaudio.com for every exported bundle

[falkTX]

I can help with the last one. When I was packaging cabbage files as plugins, I used this:

#define JucePlugin_LV2URI String("urn:cabbage:")+File::getSpecialLocation(File::currentExecutableFile).getFileNameWithoutExtension().replace("cabbage-","")

These might also be useful:

// skips preset generation, as they are not usually a thing for csound
#define JucePlugin_WantsLV2Presets 0
// if we dont need custom chunk data, consider also:
#define JucePlugin_WantsLV2State 0
// finally, if fixed block-size buffers are required, use this: (note that it will prevent it from being used in ardour, but also prevents crashes..)
#define JucePlugin_WantsLV2FixedBlockSize 1

[rorywalsh]

Great thanks guys. I'll tidy things up and add support for synths too in the next few days. And thanks @falkTX If it wasn't for your initial work, we'd all still be scratching our heads.

[KottV]

Camomile has it's own modifications of JUCE LV2 for generating binaries https://github.com/pierreguillot/Camomile/tree/dev/imp-compilation The project is some kind similar (pure-data instead of csound). Let's take a look if it can be borrowed for Cabbage :)

[dromer]

Any progress on this? Seems the LV2 branch has been lagging behind quite a bit. (tried a quick merge of develop into that, but obviously there are a couple incompatibilities ;))

Plain LV2 branch builds. Get cabbage UI, test-sound over jack works, test-synth is silent.

[rorywalsh]

When I last worked on this branch it was working Ok, but as you say it's been a while since any work was done on it. I imagine it might take a bit of work to get it back up to speed. I can take a look when I get a chance, but really, I wouldn't mind some help on this. Almost all of my time is spent on Windows and macOS these days.

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Any progress on this? Seems the LV2 branch has been lagging behind quite a bit. (tried a quick merge of develop into that, but obviously there are a couple incompatibilities ;))

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[werame]

Btw, VST3 exporting was implemented some time ago. Maybe I should change the issue name, or close it and open one about specifically about LV2s..

@rorywalsh As you're the owner of this repo you can edit/change issue titles yourself, even if someone else started them... but probably not through email 😉 You should see a button near the issue title to edit it.

[werame]

By the way, I think Audacity can load LV2 plugins on Windows (&OSX maybe) too, but few LV2s are available on those platforms, so hardly anyone uses them. But it would give a way to test LV2 without using Linux.

Aside: some authors of open-source LV2 plugins, like x42, don't include any build instructions in their gh repo, to make buying the binary/compiled version a more compelling option. Which kinda turns into a chicken and egg problem why there aren't more LV2 plugins on non-Linux platforms, i.e. I think it hampers the spread of the LV2 standard.

[mxmilkiib]

That repo only makes it easy to download all the plugins at once. Each plugin repo has build instructions. It's also packaged for various distros.

[werame]

I think Reaper can load LV2 on Mac / Windows too but there are some GUI issues in that host with LV2s that render via OpenGL. (Maybe it was fixed in the meantime.)

Some compiled LV2 plugins for Mac & Windows are available on https://distrho.sourceforge.io/plugins.php alongside VST ones (in "combo" VST+LV2 archives). In case you (or someone working on this) need some basis for comparison whether hosts work properly with other LV2 plugins.

[mxmilkiib]

https://github.com/lv2/lv2/wiki has a few more details about precompiled Windows plugins. It's certainly not just a Linux plugin format, and drobilla has noted that LV2 shouldn't stand for "LADSPA Version 2" anymore because of this misapprehension.

[werame]

Actually me reporting seeing the LV2 option if Audacity on Windows whiteout first testing it, might have been premature. It doesn't seem to quite work https://github.com/audacity/audacity/discussions/2494

[mxmilkiib]

JUCE 7 now features LV2 targets and hosting.

[rorywalsh]

I saw this. Once I update to use JUCE 7 I will go about adding official support for LV2 :+1:

[dromer]

Make sure to do it for all targets (somehow people still think it's for Linux only).

[rorywalsh]

:+1: