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2015 Developer Survey #54

Closed joho closed 8 years ago

joho commented 8 years ago

I'm pushing this up in a very early state to make it easier to concurrently gather feedback on a few elements

Background

Step one on increasing the remit of rubyaustralia and doing more industry/academic outreach on behalf of aussie ruby devs is to get a solid picture of who that community/industry is.

For now the immediate objectives in having this data is to speak to the validity of ruby as a commercial development option, to help prosecute the case for universities spitting out ruby devs and for individual employers to understand there's a rich, stable ecosystem in the Australian market.

I'd hope we can do a survey every year, and that future surveys can have a slightly less commercial bent (just ask the right questions to get a good year to year diff). Many big thanks to Liam Esler who helped draft the survey based on his experience representing Australia's indie game dev scene.

Desired Feedback

Visit http://goo.gl/forms/h0yyUgJwdW to see what's in the survey

I'll post as follow up comments on PR for other feedback needed further along. Would be best if we can keep all feedback on this PR in the interest of transparency.

Rollout Plan

benaskins commented 8 years ago

Looks good @joho - you might want to add 'Director/Owner' to the employment status options.

joho commented 8 years ago

@benaskins done, thanks!

benaskins commented 8 years ago

No dramas. I had a little poke around for industry lists and found this -http://www.aigroup.com.au/portal/site/aig/workplacerelations/awardmodernisation/industrieslist/ - it's a little unwieldy but might be a good place to whittle down from.

MelissaKaulfuss commented 8 years ago

This makes things complex but I'd recommend thinking about how the gender question is phrased – Could be simply "I identify my gender as"

(http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2012/06/how-can-i-make-the-gender-question-on-an-application-form-more-inclusive/)

pat commented 8 years ago

Just ran through the survey, only thing I noted was that VISA should just be visa (we're not referring to the brand). Also, do we want to extend it to cover tools and such (e.g. which versions of Ruby do people use), ala Hapton Catlin's Ruby Survey - which we could possibly steal questions from: http://www.askr.me/ruby

Granted, that's got the potential to skew the survey away beyond its original purpose, so I'm not sure whether such questions would be a good move.

joho commented 8 years ago

@MelissaKaulfuss amended to "What's your gender identity?"

@pat fixed the VISA thing, I think I got autocorrected somewhere along the line. I think the tooling question is interesting but pretty big scope creep. Intuitively I don't expect that our community's tooling will vary much from the general population, and the amount of questions we'd need to add to meaningfully compare AU ruby use vs world ruby use would make the survey pretty unwieldy.

@benaskins I've added "Director/Owner". WRT to industries: I just read that list - I'm not even sure how I'd whittle it down :-D

joho commented 8 years ago

For industry list I'm inclined to use the top level categories from https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/appendix/productsservices?hl=en which works out to be

Apparel
Arts & Entertainment
Beauty & Personal Care
Business & Industrial
Computers & Consumer Electronics
Dining & Nightlife
Family & Community
Finance
Food & Groceries
Health
Hobbies & Leisure
Home & Garden
Internet & Telecom
Jobs & Education
Law & Government
News
Occasions & Gifts
Real Estate
Retailers & General Merchandise
Sports & Fitness
Travel & Tourism
Vehicles

They're a bit vague but ¯\_(⊙︿⊙)_/¯

joho commented 8 years ago

OK, I've fleshed out the landing page for the survey. Would appreciate proper review of the page now. I'll commit a compiled version of the page once everyone's OK with copy etc.

Because of my upcoming travel timetable I'll need to finalise feedback before noon saturday with the aim to start publishing saturday afternoon some time. That's not to say it has to go out this week, but if there are no outstanding objections by then I'll take it as tacit approval :wink:

joho commented 8 years ago

OK, industry list is in, and I've committed a built version of the page. I think this is good to go.

pat commented 8 years ago

@joho just added you as a collaborator on this repo, so you can deploy when you like :) (details on how to do that are in the README)

evolve2k commented 8 years ago

Hi peeps

Since Im on this list I thought Id throw in my 2 cents, great work on this by the way John and co :)

  1. Education

Just had a quick look, noticed that there's no accounting for if you did not finish high school and it's a required question. Maybe can you add an "other" or "didn't need formal education", "n/a" or something like that.

  1. Income

Knowing just the gross income without a sense of if they are working full time or what % of full time will make analysis harder later. In my situation I'm actually studying half time currently so my income is down. You ask for income but don't get a sense if people are working full time or part-time or casually, what you really want to be able to calc later is peoples collective FTE (Full Time Equivilent Rate). My hypothesis is that as ruby coding generally pays well there is more people that cut back their hours.

I would add something like:

What % of a standard full time working load are you undertaking in a usual week currently. (Full time being calculated at 38 hours/week)

  1. Community question

I know we want to minimize questions but would it also be worth asking a postioning question to see if people are involved in the national ruby community.

Have you attended a Ruby Conf or Rails Camp in the last 2 years?

Could be very helpful to see if the survey is getting out beyond the usual crowd and also to get a sense of how large the pool is and what % of devs that answer it that aren't active in the community.

Richie

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joho commented 8 years ago

@evolve2k thanks for the feedback!

  1. I'll add other to education
  2. In the earlier question about work status i differentiate between full-time & part-time which I can use as a filter on the data.
  3. That's a good question, I'll add it next to the "did you even know ruby au was a thing" question