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2017 Conference Coordination #113

Closed erickt closed 6 years ago

erickt commented 7 years ago

This ticket is to track organizing 2017 conference coordination as a followup to the 2016 coordination and our 2016 conference retrospective. See our notes from the first meeting.

Right now we know of 4 conferences tentatively being planned in 2017:

Q2 (April - June)

Q3 (July - September)

Q4 (October - December)

Things we need to discuss:

aturon commented 7 years ago

RustConf I think would lean toward keeping the same timeframe as 2016, i.e. early September.

Hoverbear commented 7 years ago

We talked about Rustfest being in the spring.

I'm hoping to help with all three if the teams will allow me!

aturon commented 7 years ago

Based on venue availability, it's looking like RustConf will likely be either Aug 18-19 or Aug 25-26.

spastorino commented 7 years ago

I went to RustConf and RustBeltRust last year. I'm from South America and I will try to give some thoughts trying to represent people flying to a conference from a very far distance :). I spend more or less 20 something hours to arrive.

It would be nice if Rust conferences dates are have a greater distance in time between them. In 2016 they were all pretty close to each other. It's very hard to attend if your travels are costly in terms of money, time, it's also very tiring if there are so close, separating a bit more would be better for people in my situation. Also, this maybe applies only for RustConf, it's also better for non US attendees if the city where conferences are held happens in more accessible cities in terms of flights. From time to time the chosen cities are not well connected and if you flight from outside US you need to get on 3 or even 4 flights to arrive. I know organizing a conference is very hard and some of the things may be impossible to accomplish but at the same time would be very nice of you if those things are considered :).

aturon commented 7 years ago

The RustConf 2017 save the date has been announced: http://rustconf.com/, August 18-19

erickt commented 7 years ago

If it's possible, it'd be wonderful if we could setup VTC presentations for any speakers that are subject to a travel ban, and make sure we put this in the CfPs so that speakers don't self-filter themselves out of consideration.

Hoverbear commented 7 years ago

Would it be possible to consider moving RustConf to Canada due to the recent political climate?

aturon commented 7 years ago

Hi @Hoverbear, I was just emailing the RustConf team about this. At the moment, we have a significant deposit on the venue, and venues in Canada come in at a good chunk higher cost. We're trying to weigh the best way to use these funds -- for example, we could also consider making the conference more accessible world-wide via livestreaming and chat, for substantially less cost. (It's also not a pure win to move elsewhere, since at least some people currently in the US cannot leave for fear of being denied entry back; but it's not clear how to weigh that).

Hoverbear commented 7 years ago

@aturon Indeed this is quite a pickle.

skade commented 7 years ago

My solution would as always be to promote quicker setup of more alternatives. (I know I'm late on that RFC again)

skade commented 7 years ago

A little bit of an extension to this. I think we shouldn't rush on this. Times are shit, I agree on that. They don't call for self-flagellation of our project, though.

There's still an ample amount of people in the US that want to visit a conference in the US. I'm not very versed in US issues, but I think some people might also not have a passport, which they'd need to travel outside? (correct me if I'm wrong)

Even a conference in Canada is still subject to all kinds of visa issues. Also, Canada is not the cheapest place to travel, too, improving the situation to only a few people that would have attended RustConf and have the funds to travel that far.

So, the question is: why would people travel to US east? To meet core developers and a very active community. Have access to all the people that build the thing. It's something other conferences mostly can't replicate.

The solution for this is, in my opinion: decentralise. Instead of growing the conferences in size, we should make sure that we have more of them, around the globe, with enough budget to have a small event for people to socialise and get stuff going. On top of that, make sure we support more of these projects by flying in core personnel that has an easier time traveling. This is a shitty situation, can we solve this by moving outwards?

Manishearth commented 7 years ago

Agreed; however I also do think that we should start thinking about this now since it's easier to plan things when there are months to go.

Yeah, Canada, the US, and the UK have pretty horrible visa systems in general. Canada is a bit better, but it's still overall horrible. Schengen visas are generally easier to get, though this is all anecdotal and visa processes have a huge component of chance so I'm not sure.

I don't think we should be motivating this as "retribution" or a boycott, boycotts would work if the tech conf industry was large enough (it isn't) to make a blip and if there was agreement across the tech community to do this (there's not). Rather, it's a practical concern of people who may be excluded. It's tricky -- hold it in the US, and folks from particular countries are excluded. Hold it elsewhere, and US residents (likely the majority audience for RustConf and RBR) with ties to other countries may be excluded. This is compounded by the whole instability of the thing and the fact that we can't really predict what the situation will be like when conf season comes.

I do think decentralizing is a good idea. The existence of RustFest will certainly help, and we should try and get more core folks there.

Kinda hoping for an Asia conf. Probably could help (but not lead) an effort in India if anyone wants to. However, I'm wary of being responsible for giving stomach flu to the entire Rust community 😄 .

aturon commented 7 years ago

Thanks, @skade, for your thoughtful analysis, which I personally find quite persuasive.

Manishearth commented 7 years ago

https://users.rust-lang.org/t/rustconf-2017-and-the-us-travel-ban/9214

skade commented 7 years ago

Better late then never, RustFest 2017 happens April 30th in Kiev.

carols10cents commented 7 years ago

We've got dates and a venue for Rust Belt Rust - it's going to be Oct 27 + 28 in Columbus, OH!

deg4uss3r commented 7 years ago

Are there any dates for a U.K. Rust conference ? I'm willing to help how I can (I'm sure my wife will as well).

Manishearth commented 7 years ago

There are only three Rust conferences this year we know of.

There are regular Rust meetups in London, though

Manishearth commented 7 years ago

Are you trying to organize one? 😄 We can probably provide some help.

Manishearth commented 7 years ago

cc @booyaa

deg4uss3r commented 7 years ago

@Manishearth I'd love to but work is kicking my butt and being new to the area I'm at a disadvantage. I would absolutely help out someone who can/will work on it a little more than I can :D

Hoverbear commented 7 years ago

@deg4uss3r You're welcome to join us for Rustfest! :) It'll be super fun!

deg4uss3r commented 7 years ago

Thanks @Hoverbear :) I'll definitely try to make it to Kyiv but, sadly, something a little closer to home is what I was hoping for this year!

dns2utf8 commented 7 years ago

Is there a list of all rust confs so we know which dates we should avoid in fall?

badboy commented 7 years ago

The comments here would be pretty much the best source. I'll add the known dates to the initial post.

Hoverbear commented 7 years ago

Hi folks! Rustfest Kyiv was great and lots of fun. We're happy to announce that Rustfest will be in Zurich next later this year. Stay tuned for dates.

igor-krawczuk commented 7 years ago

Is there a need for volunteers for the rustfest@zurich? If so, who should one ping?

badboy commented 7 years ago

@igor-krawczuk We're happy to take on help as we need it. We're quite early in the planning so we don't have any definitive needs yet, but feel free to send us a mail to team@rustfest.eu