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Add survey results #1520

Closed janhohenheim closed 3 months ago

janhohenheim commented 4 months ago

Part of #1505

Rendered

Repo for all data and statistics: https://github.com/janhohenheim/rust-gamedev-statistics/tree/main/jan-hohenheim-2024

janhohenheim commented 4 months ago

Answered all the feedback. @AngelOnFira, ready for another round :)

junkmail22 commented 4 months ago

Mirroring my comments from Discord to here.

Of note is that the verbal feedback we got indicated that a lot of readers did not fully understand what exactly was being proposed. People worried that we would start generating a majority of the newsletter or entire sections with AI, which is not something any of us wants. Some readers also thought we already started using LLMs. The actual idea was to use AI to generate summaries of articles that were already hand-picked by the editors but not summarized yet because of time constraints. The summaries would then be edited and verified by the editors. The extent to which AI would be used would be limited to up to two sentences per late article. Any confusion in this regard is our fault. We will try to be more clear on such questions in the future.  Although this misunderstanding might have skewed the results, we have reason to believe that the effect is not too large. Anecdotally, when we properly explained the proposal to readers who were against it, most did not change their mind and cited more principled reasons for their stance. Chief among these was solidarity with the large number of creatives who recently lost their jobs due to AI-generated content, inside and outside the game development industry.

I don't think this is a particularly fair or accurate summary of the situation.  In particular, it frames the negative feedback as coming from people who didn't understand it in the first place - I, as well as many others, understood that the proposal involved AI summaries of other articles. In addition, I think that saying that all pushback received was moral is very misleading when a number of practical objections were raised, and that the primary source of pushback was not job loss.  Anecdotally, I feel that the article attempts to frame pushback on LLM content as coming from pearl-clutching luddites, who did not actually understand the issue at hand, when in reality, the majority of pushback came from people who understood what was being proposed very well. I think this is neither fair, nor accurate.

While a majority of readers (65%) are at least okay with AI-generated summaries, a significant minority (35%) are not okay at all with this proposal.

This is burying the lede that negative responses (Not Okay) far outnumber positive responses (Good, Love). Furthermore, the fact that there were two positive responses and only one negative response will likely skew results in the positive direction. You can't just lump the neutral responses (Okay, Don't Care) in with the positive responses in your analysis. It is, at the very least, misleading.

I'm a bit frustrated by the article in many ways. I think it's inevitable that, when the people doing the review of the survey were the people pushing for the thing that everyone told them not to do in the survey, fair and accurate explanation of the reasons people disagreed with the idea are kind of impossible.

One final point:

The actual idea was to use AI to generate summaries of articles that were already hand-picked by the editors but not summarized yet because of time constraints. The summaries would then be edited and verified by the editors. The extent to which AI would be used would be limited to up to two sentences per late article.

If the LLM summaries are a relatively small part of the newsletter, and opposition to including them is so vocal and widespread, it should, at this point, be a dead and buried conversation.

janhohenheim commented 4 months ago

Some points to address:

janhohenheim commented 4 months ago

The last two commits address criticisms raised by people who did not feel represented by the summary given. I hope it's better now :)