Open mdtro opened 2 months ago
Thank you so much for your hard work authoring this @mdtro! It was my honor and pleasure to be able to help.
As one of the people who built the equivalent Trusted Publishing feature on PyPI, I'm more than happy to answer any technical or policy questions the Rust community has, as well as offer insight into PyPI's experience (which IMO has been extremely successful) over the past 18 months of having Trusted Publishing deployed.
I think we should try to support 3rd-party websites that have their own gitlab/forgejo/gitea/etc. instances, so e.g. gitlab.example.com could publish to whatever crates they own even though they aren't using gitlab.com's CI and instead are running their own CI infrastructure.
this could perhaps be done by, when CI asks crates.io for an OIDC token, having crates.io use oauth/oidc to check that gitlab.example.com grants permission for CI uploads through a token provided to crates.io by CI
I think we should try to support 3rd-party websites that have their own gitlab/forgejo/gitea/etc. instances, so e.g. gitlab.example.com could publish to whatever crates they own even though they aren't using gitlab.com's CI and instead are running their own CI infrastructure.
It's ultimately up to each index to decide a subjective cutoff for IdP "popularity," but I would caution against this: the main security benefit of trusted publishing versus an API token is that large CI/CD providers have dedicated OIDC IdP maintenance and operation teams that handle the burden of maintaining an OIDC PKI. For one-off instances, the benefits of a PKI versus ordinary API tokens are marginal and may even invert, since maintaining a PKI is significantly more operationally complicated than securing a single API token.
(For PyPI, this is one of the reasons we started with GitHub, and then moved to support GitLab, Google Cloud Build, etc., but haven't yet moved to support third-party instances of GH or GL.)
(For PyPI, this is one of the reasons we started with GitHub, and then moved to support GitLab, Google Cloud Build, etc., but haven't yet moved to support third-party instances of GH or GL.)
+1 to what @woodruffw said, also to add to this: PyPI has a notion of "organizations", and one thing we are considering is for PyPI is to permit self-hosted IdPs 1:1 with organizations on a case by case basis.
I think it should really be implemented so that you need BOTH a crates.io API token AND the OpenID Connect identity token.
Otherwise, if there is a bug in the OpenID Connect implementation by GitHub/Google/etc., someone exploiting it could take over all crates using it without having to take over the actual developer machines or CI systems where the API token would be stored; this also guarantees that security is strictly improved since even if the OpenID Connect implementation on crates.io's side were totally broken, it would still be as secure as the current system.
The best way to do this seems to be to change the crates.io API token creation UI to have the option to also require an OpenID Connect identity to be provided to accept requests using that token.
Otherwise, if there is a bug in the OpenID Connect implementation by GitHub/Google/etc., someone exploiting it could take over all crates using it without having to take over the actual developer machines or CI systems where the API token would be stored; this also guarantees that security is strictly improved since even if the OpenID Connect implementation on crates.io's side were totally broken, it would still be as secure as the current system.
Could you elaborate on the threat model you're envisioning here? We considered similar scenarios when building out the threat model for trusted publishing on PyPI, and ultimately came to the conclusion that an attacker who is sufficiently powerful to control a major OIDC IdP (like Google's or GitHub's) would almost certainly also have sufficient power to control CI-side user-configured credentials.
Or in other words: we couldn't think of an internally coherent threat model in which an attacker is simultaneously strong enough to take over a major OIDC IdP but too weak to compromise an individual CI process on that IdP's platform (and thereby exfiltrate a manually-configured crates.io API token).
(More broadly, I think Trusted Publishing's security and usability benefits become moot if they require two credentials - one manual - instead of just an automatic one: the goal is to remove error prone manual steps and opportunities for over-scoping/accidental disclosure, both of which would still exist if the user would still need to configure a crates.io API token.)
IMHO this is ready now! :)
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A big thank you to @woodruffw for co-authoring, providing prior art through PyPi's implementation, and all of the expert advice. 🙏
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