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A very interesting idea. We should try prototyping this, I don't think it would
be *that* hard. Essentially the OpenCL generation is all handled from Java
side. We do of course default to using our JNI code to 'hide' the minutia of
buffer binding and arg handling.
Are you thinking of JOCL (Marco Hutter's) or JOCL (from Jogamp)? I do think
this would be fairly straightforward.
The Java classes ClassModel, MethodModel and KernelWriter would be pretty much
all you would need. We could even arrange for an Aparapi helper.
Say
java.lang.reflect.Method m = MyClass.class.getDeclaredMethod("run");
OpenCL openCL = Aparapi.createOpenCL(m);
OpenCL object/class would allow you to reflectively determine arg types, or you
can just extract the text and do whatever you need to do using JOCL.
String openCLtext = openCL.getText();
// use JOCL's BuildProgram, Buffer mechanism and dispatch to execute the
OpenCL.
Is this the kind of thing that you wanted?
Can you suggest a suitable API? I really think this would be relatively
straightforward for methods of classes.
I am working on Java8 lambdas at present, this would be a lot harder for
lambdas as they are specialized at the call site by javac, so we need the
specialized form to convert to OpenCL.
Great idea though. Let's do it.
Gary
Original comment by frost.g...@gmail.com
on 31 Mar 2013 at 3:35
Gary,
I have to say I'm impressed by your receptivity to such a suggestion. Thanks
for being so open minded! :)
I think Aparapi provides the missing piece that is going to help usher in the
coming age of ubiquitous supercomputing, and so I want to see it's use expand
as quickly as possible.
This page has a list of 4 different Java OpenCL libraries that are out there:
http://www.jocl.org/
I've been evaluating them, and right now I'm trying out Marco Hutter's JOCL.
It's nice because it hews very closely to the unvarnished OpenCL C interface.
This lets me get as close to the metal as I want, which is what I need for my
current project.
You're correct that it wouldn't be *that* hard to get this idea up and running.
In fact, I'm already doing a hybrid version of it. I created a class that
uses Aparapi infrastructure to generate C code from my Java kernel (attached),
that I then pass in to the JOCL API.
This lets me get immediate access to all the advanced features I need (async
execution, direct queue management, events, etc.)
I think the JOCL guys would be very excited by this idea!
Original comment by n...@u1.com
on 31 Mar 2013 at 6:44
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This exact feature has actually been talked about for, I guess years now and
there has always been push-back...I'm shocked to hear Gary say he wants to do
this now. If I remember correctly, the previous argument against doing this was
to prevent third-party dependencies within Aparapi.
FYI, this was one of the main drivers for a number of us to refactor the
current Trunk code into a more OOP-style design, so that we could eventually
identify and remove the underlying JNI code and replace it with an appropriate
abstraction layer.
If you look at the existing Aparapi feature/bug list, you will see that we are
also desperately looking for Aparapi to support Async execution and Events
(OpenCL callbacks).
Having said that, I do not believe that adding some of these advanced features
would be straightforward, considering how Kernel/KernelRunner are so tightly
coupled. In my opinion, one path forward would be to completely decouple Kernel
and KernelRunner, create a centralized Kernel dispatch service that accepted
multiple Kernels and executed them as appropriate (sync/async/multi-GPU/etc).
This would require an extensive refactoring though.
And if all of this was done correctly, we should be able to abstract the layers
back far enough to support OpenCL and CUDA.
Original comment by ryan.lam...@gmail.com
on 1 Apr 2013 at 6:56
Two more things:
1) Removing the Aparapi JNI layer should make deploying Aparapi much easier, as
Aparapi could be built using Maven and deployed as a Maven artifact to popular
Maven repositories
2) We have been investigating JavaCL and have been impressed by a number of its
features and recent developments (jna replaced by bridj, nativelibs4java
support, Scala support, OpenCL-->Java code generation, Maven support,
significant Mathematics libraries support (Goodies), etc.)
Original comment by ryan.lam...@gmail.com
on 1 Apr 2013 at 7:19
Ryan
Which JavaCL are you referring to? Is it https://code.google.com/p/javacl/?
Interesting.
Gary
Original comment by frost.g...@gmail.com
on 1 Apr 2013 at 3:04
Yes, that is the one.
Both the FAQ and Getting Started sections are very informative, but definitely
not comprehensive. For example, in the Getting Started section, there is some
example code at the bottom that shows how to both wrap existing .cl code (which
Aparapi also supports, of course) and how to perform chained, asynchronous
event execution.
Original comment by ryan.lam...@gmail.com
on 1 Apr 2013 at 6:31
I would like to point out that Lightweight Java Game Library (LWJGL) also
contains an OpenCL binding.
Original comment by oakw...@minousoft.com
on 11 Apr 2013 at 1:54
Just a follow-up on this:
After trying out every OpenCL wrapper library I finally settled on using JavaCL
(https://code.google.com/p/javacl/? ) which seems to me to be the best.
I'm using a modified version of the Aparapi library to simply convert my Java
code into OpenCL compatible C code.
I then do everything else through JavaCL and just pass in the C code generated
by Aparapi.
I do not use any of the Aparapi infrastructure for automatically copying
buffers as I prefer to manage that myself.
I found it to be much easier to manage multi-GPU code this way rather than
trying to do everything via Aparapi (I'm running 4 x AMD 7990 cards, which show
up in OpenCL as 8 separate GPU devices).
One enhancement that I would like to see is an improved ability to access all
of the open CL defined functions, such as mad(), popcount(),
async_work_group_strided_copy(), prefetch(), etc...
Even a simple ability to embed a string in my java code that would be passed
through to the generated C code would be welcome.
In any case, being able to work in Java is a lifesaver. It would be *much*
harder to do all this great stuff without Aparapi!
Original comment by lats...@gmail.com
on 21 May 2013 at 10:24
Awesome stuff.
I would be interested in seeing the code for this.
Do you have SVN/Github repo I could look at? Just so I can have a poke around..
In the lambda branch I have working code for the new Java 8 lambda expressions
and would be interested in working out how to provide access to this.
Also if there ever is a sustainable dalvik/android aparapi project, I think
your separation of concerns would help there as well.
Was there a lot of hacking required?
Original comment by frost.g...@gmail.com
on 21 May 2013 at 10:52
Gary,
Please email me at latsama@gmail.com, or call me (I sent an email w/my # to
what I think is your address).
I don't have the code in a repo, but I would like to get it to you.
Original comment by lats...@gmail.com
on 21 May 2013 at 11:16
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