Closed jhpalmieri closed 2 years ago
Replying to @tscrim:
I know what the problem is. The
TestSuite
is very useful:-element_class = FPElement +Element = FPElement
I will push a fix along with some other miscellaneous doc fixes one I make my way through all of the code.
Thanks for figuring that out!
One this that I do not like is
submodule
returning a morphism. This is very counterintuitive to me. I propose we rename thissubmodule_inclusion
orsubmodule_embedding
(other names welcome). Same forkernel
. I know this is meant for homological algebra (+1 for that), but the method names should reflect their behavior IMO.
Fixed. I also suggested in a private email that another option would be to have a new class FpMorphismKernel
which would inherit from FPModule
but would also remember ambient module and the inclusion map. In the particular setting here, I think that the morphism is going to be used more than the kernel, so using f.kernel_inclusion()
and occasionally f.kernel_inclusion().domain()
looks better to me than f.kernel().inclusion()
and occasionally f.kernel()
.
Replying to @tscrim:
I also have some thoughts about the construction hooks. These do not necessarily need to be address on this ticket, but it might be good to do it here. I think we should have some method added to the category of
GradedAlgebrasWithBasis
calledfree_graded_module
and possibly addFreeGradedModule
to the global namespace. This would serve as the main entry point.
This may require some other changes; in particular, every algebra (with basis? or every algebra?) should have a free_module
method, but the free_module
method for Clifford/exterior algebras just gives a rank 1 free module, the module underlying the algebra itself. Searching for free_module
methods suggests that some behave this way while some allow the user to specify a basis. We should probably have something like underlying_free_module(self)
and free_module(self, basis=...)
. The version in categories/rings.py
, which might be viewed as the default method, is a little strange, since it returns not just a free module V
over the ring R
but also maps R -> V
and V -> R
. Such maps are not particularly canonical, so I don't know why they are part of the structure. Actually, it looks like this may only return a free module of rank 1. I don't know why it doesn't just call CombinatorialFreeModule(R, basis, ...)
and allow for higher rank modules.
Maybe my point is, this looks messy enough that it should be deferred to another ticket. Alternatively we could ignore the mess and just add a free_graded_module
method as you suggest, and try to clean up the ungraded case later. It will be a little awkward if free_module
and graded_free_module
behave so differently.
Next, to construct a finitely presented module, I am thinking we should implement a quotient method or some other natural method to compute finitely presented modules as a 2-step procedure. Of course, we can easily add a
finitely_presented_graded_module()
or similar such method to allow a direct construction.
The current code allows for the construction of a finitely presented module from a morphism between two free modules (mor.to_fp_module()
). That could also be turned into a method for free modules, accepting a morphism and returning an f.p. module.
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We could do this, for example:
diff --git a/src/sage/categories/graded_algebras_with_basis.py b/src/sage/categories/graded_algebras_with_basis.py
index e7ae68328e..8af922cd31 100644
--- a/src/sage/categories/graded_algebras_with_basis.py
+++ b/src/sage/categories/graded_algebras_with_basis.py
@@ -84,6 +84,45 @@ class GradedAlgebrasWithBasis(GradedModulesCategory):
# Also, ``projection`` could be overridden by, well, a
# projection.
+ def free_graded_module(self, generator_degrees, names=None):
+ """
+ Create a finitely generated free graded module over ``self``
+
+ This is only implemented when the ground ring is a field.
+
+ INPUTS:
+
+ - ``generator_degrees`` -- tuple of integers defining the
+ number of generators of the module, and their degrees
+
+ - ``names`` -- optional, the names of the generators. If
+ ``names`` is a comma-separated string like ``'a, b,
+ c'``, then those will be the names. Otherwise, for
+ example if ``names`` is ``abc``, then the names will be
+ ``abc_{d,i}``.
+
+ By default, if all generators are in distinct degrees,
+ then the ``names`` of the generators will have the form
+ ``g_{d}`` where ``d`` is the degree of the generator. If
+ the degrees are not distinct, then the generators will be
+ called ``g_{d,i}`` where ``d`` is the degree and ``i`` is
+ its index in the list of generators in that degree.
+
+ See :mod:`sage.modules.fp_graded.free_module` for more
+ examples and details.
+
+ EXAMPLES::
+
+ sage: Q = QuadraticForm(QQ, 3, [1,2,3,4,5,6])
+ sage: Cl = CliffordAlgebra(Q)
+ sage: M = Cl.free_graded_module((0, 2, 3))
+ sage: M.gens()
+ (g_{0}, g_{2}, g_{3})
+ """
+ from sage.modules.fp_graded.free_module import FreeGradedModule
+ return FreeGradedModule(self, generator_degrees, names)
+
+
class ElementMethods:
pass
Replying to @jhpalmieri:
Finally, I am not happy with how elements are printed. Rather than
<x, y>
, I would rather seex*g_0 + y*g_1
. Users should be allowed to name their generators, so you could also dosage: M.<a,b,c> = FPModule(...) sage: x*a + y*b x*a + y*b
or
sage: M = FPModule(..., name='b', ...) # not sure about this syntax sage: x*M.gen(0) x*b_0
gh-sverre320, kvanwoerden, gh-rrbruner: any comments?
We like the printing and naming mechanism you propose, jhpalmieri!
Sorry for being slow about this.
I like your idea in comment:41.
Now for something closer to bikeshedding. I think we should print the elements as, e.g., g[0]
following CFM. In addition, we could just pass everything off to IndexedGenerators
(via CFM) and let that handle everything. This makes it more customizable. In order to do so, we would extend that to support the names
option. How does this sound? I can take care of this if you want.
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Here is a branch with comment:41 incorporated. If you can push a branch with names
etc., that would be great!
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I have pushed the changes with names (we will want the patchbot to get around to it to see if there are other (almost certainly trivial) doctests breaking across Sage from the internal changes).
I also made a number of other changes and improvements. One important one is I changed the internal representation of basis elements to match the "generic" (i.e., no names
specified) printing indices. This is the most natural way to associate data to the basis element (IMO the only other natural way would just be to just use {0, ..., k} to index the basis elements). I also directly links the FP module to the free module's indices. This was also very useful for setting up the element printing.
I renamed the to_fp_module
to as_fp_module
for modules and fp_module
for morphisms. If it was to_fp_module
, I would expect some kind of map to be returned. I wanted the different names both to reflect the English and that modules and morphism are fundamentally different objects.
I have some design questions:
FPModule
construction be based on the morphism since that is the data that is actually stored. The __classcall_private__
would then preparse the input data as needed.We should remove the __contains__
of FPModule
. I think this is suppressing an issue with comparing elements. Contrast this code with
sage: Z4 = Zmod(4)
sage: Z5 = Zmod(5)
sage: Z5(3) in Z4
False
sage: Z5(3) == Z4(3)
False
which is using the generic __contains__
. Right now I can't provide any advice on how to fix this as I haven't looked at this too closely yet.
I also have some questions regarding the formatting that are easy enough to fix/change, but I wanted to be set on them before updating the remaining doctests (there will be some trivial failures in the added files):
g
, but I was thinking G
to reflect that it should be an element of the module G
. Pure bikeshedding, and I don't care. I just chose something that I thought was reasonable, but I should poll for other opinions before setting everything.G[0]
and the non-unique are G(0, 0)
because that was the easiest to do. I can easily change the unique to G(0)
, and it is also relatively easy to change G(0, 0)
to, e.g., G[0,0]
.I propose changing the morphism output to match that of ring morphisms:
sage: R.<x> = ZZ[]
sage: S.<y> = ZZ[]
sage: R.hom([y])
Ring morphism:
From: Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Integer Ring
To: Univariate Polynomial Ring in y over Integer Ring
Defn: x |--> y
This is better when there are a lot of elements, it is consistent with other parts of Sage, no tuple-vs-list printing issues, and we likely can take advantage of other morphism display code.
Replying to @tscrim:
I have pushed the changes with names (we will want the patchbot to get around to it to see if there are other (almost certainly trivial) doctests breaking across Sage from the internal changes).
Great, thank you!
- I think we should have the
FPModule
construction be based on the morphism since that is the data that is actually stored. The__classcall_private__
would then preparse the input data as needed.
Sounds okay to me, but I don't a strong opinion about it.
- We should remove the
__contains__
ofFPModule
. I think this is suppressing an issue with comparing elements.
I'll try it and see what happens, then get back to you.
- What do we want the default prefix to be? Previously it was
g
, but I was thinkingG
to reflect that it should be an element of the moduleG
. Pure bikeshedding, and I don't care. I just chose something that I thought was reasonable, but I should poll for other opinions before setting everything.
I think lowercase is better: g[0]
looks more like an element to me than G[0]
.
- How do we want to print when the generator degrees? Right now the unique are
G[0]
and the non-unique areG(0, 0)
because that was the easiest to do. I can easily change the unique toG(0)
, and it is also relatively easy to changeG(0, 0)
to, e.g.,G[0,0]
.
I don't care too much, but I have a slight preference for uniformity: square brackets in both cases?
- I propose changing the morphism output to match that of ring morphisms:
Yes, sounds good.
I changed G[0]
to g[0]
but also changed G(0, 0)
to g(0, 0)
— it wasn't clear how to get brackets in the second case. I also changed the print representation for morphisms. I think I fixed all of the doctests, too.
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Replying to @tscrim:
- I think we should have the
FPModule
construction be based on the morphism since that is the data that is actually stored. The__classcall_private__
would then preparse the input data as needed.
I would be happy for you to take care of this. I ran into problems because I want to use generators and relations as arguments (as is currently done) but then have __classcall_private__
convert to a morphism and pass that to __init__
, and I couldn't figure out a clean way to do that. I didn't try that hard, but it seems that __classcall_private__
and __init__
should have the same arguments, so they both need morphism
, generators
, and relations
? I guess we could switch to using a factory to construct these modules instead, but I didn't try that.
I removed the __contains__
method, but I didn't know what you were referring to with "I think this is suppressing an issue with comparing elements."
With elements, it's easy for me to switch to g(0)
and keep the current g(0, 0)
, but I can't figure out how to instead switch the second one to g[0, 0]
.
Otherwise, I'm happy with this.
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Sorry, I have been busy this past week. I should be able to do this today. It is simply a matter of adding a layer in the _repr_term
method to convert the input to a list and then passing it up. Although I am thinking a better (long term) solution is to add another hook in IndexedGenerators
for more broadly handling iterable input and use the general mechanics (so if someone wants to change the brackets to, say, {
, it becomes a simple changing of the print options). This should also be quick to do.
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Replying to @jhpalmieri:
Replying to @tscrim:
- I think we should have the
FPModule
construction be based on the morphism since that is the data that is actually stored. The__classcall_private__
would then preparse the input data as needed.I would be happy for you to take care of this. I ran into problems because I want to use generators and relations as arguments (as is currently done) but then have
__classcall_private__
convert to a morphism and pass that to__init__
, and I couldn't figure out a clean way to do that. I didn't try that hard, but it seems that__classcall_private__
and__init__
should have the same arguments, so they both needmorphism
,generators
, andrelations
? I guess we could switch to using a factory to construct these modules instead, but I didn't try that.
A factory is overkill. The only thing needed is checking if the __classcall_private__
input is a morphism or not. Well, I am feeling lazy (forgive me!) and don't really care too much to simplify the input as the current version works albeit somewhat inefficiently since it converts from the morphism data and then reconstructs said morphism. Anyways, this isn't anything that needs to be done right now. If you want to do this, please go ahead.
I removed the
__contains__
method, but I didn't know what you were referring to with "I think this is suppressing an issue with comparing elements."
I was getting errors for those doctest you removed. Using the default containment, you get this:
sage: from sage.modules.fp_graded.module import FPModule
sage: M = FPModule(SteenrodAlgebra(2), [0,1], [[Sq(4), Sq(3)]])
sage: N = FPModule(SteenrodAlgebra(2), [0], [[Sq(2)]])
sage: y = Sq(2) * N.generator(0)
sage: y in M
True
which I think is wrong as it is checking this:
sage: M(y) == y
True
So either it is the equality or the conversion that has a bug (possibly both). Taking another look, the _element_constructor_
was too permissive in how it was handling elements. I have fixed this, and it seems to resolve other issues I found with testing for this.
With elements, it's easy for me to switch to
g(0)
and keep the currentg(0, 0)
, but I can't figure out how to instead switch the second one tog[0, 0]
.
I have done this following what I sketched in comment:55.
Otherwise, I'm happy with this.
I am too if my changes are good.
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I tried to modify __classcall_private__
to allow a morphism as input, but I ran into problems, which I have now mostly fixed. One minor problem is that the class is often initialized with the explicit keyword generator_degrees
(as in FPModule(..., generator_degrees=...)
), but it doesn't make sense to use that name for the argument anymore, so I removed those. Now we can easily change the name of the argument. Another problem is that some objects were constructed by calling self.__class__(...)
, and this usage seems to bypass __classcall_private__
and go straight to __init__
. It seems like a bad idea anyway, so I changed those to just use FPModule(...)
.
I may try later to implement a morphism as input, but this will do for now.
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This passes all tests for me now. Let's not worry about allowing a morphism as input to the FPModule
constructor. I'd like to be able to move on to #30680. Travis, I'm happy with all of your work on this; thank you. Any objections to my most recent changes?
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I got out of my laziness and added support for taking a morphism input.
I also changed the FPModule.j
parameter to the hidden _j
.
Although looking again at the code, I have a few more questions (sorry!):
With allowing both input formats, do we need the from_free_module*
methods? They seem more like clutter to me. I propose to remove them.
Related, I don't see why we want to create a free FPModule
(instead of FreeGradedModule
) in resolution()
. Likely this is related to having different APIs, where methods likely just need to be added to the free version or perhaps some ABC needs to be created. We might want to even have the __classcall_private__
redirect to the free module where appropriate.
Should the FPModule
belong to the category of ModulesWithBasis
? I don't think this is guaranteed (over the base algebra). See also the comment below.
I don't agree with the comment before FPModule
"vector spaces" is ill-defined (in particular, we don't require the base ring of the base algebra to be a field). This can be corrected fairly easily. However, I propose removing this as it doesn't contribute anything to (understanding) the code.
Replying to @tscrim:
I got out of my laziness and added support for taking a morphism input.
Great, thanks! I also added code to allow a free module as input, in which case it would return a finitely presented module with no relations. We can revisit this based on how we want to handle your question below about resolution
.
I also changed the
FPModule.j
parameter to the hidden_j
.
Good, makes sense.
- With allowing both input formats, do we need the
from_free_module*
methods? They seem more like clutter to me. I propose to remove them.
Done.
- Related, I don't see why we want to create a free
FPModule
(instead ofFreeGradedModule
) inresolution()
. Likely this is related to having different APIs, where methods likely just need to be added to the free version or perhaps some ABC needs to be created. We might want to even have the__classcall_private__
redirect to the free module where appropriate.
Good question. Comments from the original authors? Why not just use free modules in resolution
?
- Should the
FPModule
belong to the category ofModulesWithBasis
? I don't think this is guaranteed (over the base algebra). See also the comment below.
I deleted this.
- I don't agree with the comment before
FPModule
"vector spaces" is ill-defined (in particular, we don't require the base ring of the base algebra to be a field). This can be corrected fairly easily. However, I propose removing this as it doesn't contribute anything to (understanding) the code.
I replaced it with another comment, pointing out that some of the methods assume that there is a vector space structure and a chosen basis.
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This is a precursor to #30680, laying out the framework for finitely presented modules over graded connected algebras. #30680 will focus on the case of the Steenrod algebra, with specific applications in mind.
CC: @sverre320 @sagetrac-kvanwoerden @jhpalmieri @tscrim @rrbruner @cnassau
Component: algebra
Author: Bob Bruner, Michael Catanzaro, Sverre Lunøe-Nielsen, Koen van Woerden, John Palmieri, Travis Scrimshaw
Branch/Commit:
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Reviewer: John Palmieri, Travis Scrimshaw
Issue created by migration from https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/32505